Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Alas, I cannot tell what "it" is pointing to here. Gender identity?
Clocking a third person's gender, yes.
I think we're probably performing the same binary classification task, only with less certainty.
Sort of? Sex and gender have 99+% overlap, so in practice it does tend to read binary, but I feel like seeing a transwoman has me clocking them as "someone I perceive as female", even when confident that the person is a bio male.
 
No, the person acted because they mistook a biological woman for a transsexual woman. For decades up to that moment, transsexual women have been using female toilets. Now TERF vigilantes feel empowered to question anyone they don't think 'passes'. Heck, Rolfe even joked about this earlier in the thread. Apparently her butch-looking friend thinks it's no big deal and laughs it off.

Seems to me biological women better make sure they look like proper women(TM) if they want to avoid questioning by the TERF Gestapo!
It's changed now due to reasons I've outlined
 
No, I'm not implying sex is a spectrum. I'm saying effeminate gay men and butch lesbians expression of their gender is often opposite of their biological sex. It therefore seems very odd to claim that no people exist who could exist
further out on the gender spectrum than effeminate gay men and butch lesbians, such that they consider themselves as being female or male in every other way other than their biological sex. To these people they are in the wrong body.
From what I've seen in trans-rights rallies and anti-TERF protests on YouTube most transwomen do not appear to be excessively effeminate, and a surprising number of them are not gay.
 
Women can defend themselves against rape in any way they chose
Absolutely. But um... there was no rape going on here. Just a cis woman peeing alone in the women's room. The worker followed her in there and harrassed her alone in the room.
and this is not some random third party.
Right... right, it was two cis women. That's what I'm trying to tell you- there was no third party, especially one that is to blame for the worker's bigotry.
Before "transwomen are women" this didn't happen -
Pretty sure it did. Bigots have been bigotting longer than the TRA movement has been rolling.
"transwomen are women" is to blame
Yes, that's what you keep saying, ridiculous as it is.

Is this like a Poe performance piece or are you serious?
 
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Absolutely. But um... there was no rape going on here. Just a cis woman peeing alone in the womens room. The worker followed her in there harrassed her alone in the room.

Right... right, it was two cis women. That's what I'm trying to tell you- there was no third party, especially one that is to blame for the workers bigotry.

Pretty sure it did. Bogots have been bigotting longer than the TRA moement has been rolling.

Yes, that's what you keep saying, ridiculous as it is.

Is this like a Poe performance piece or are you serious?
They challenged this unfortunate woman because the movement you support demands all men be allowed access to the safe spaces that women go to to try and avoid rape. This is happening more now because of the reasons I've outlined.

If you think women should be less cautious in the age of "transwomen are women" where any man can access their safe spaces then make your case:
 
They challenged this unfortunate woman because the movement you support demands all men be allowed access to the safe spaces that women go to to try and avoid rape. This is happening more now because of the reasons I've outlined.
You are lying. You have no idea if thoughts of rape was any kind of factor. You're literally just making ◊◊◊◊ up now.
If you think women should be less cautious
I don't. Another imaginary silliness from out in Manger Douse World.
in the age of "transwomen are women" where any man can access their safe spaces then make your case:
Yeah, no. Hard pass on having an argument with voices in your head.
 
For decades up to that moment, transsexual women have been using female toilets.

That is the most frustrating thing about this whole mess. Women have been quietly accepting transwomen we know and trust into our safe spaces for years, safe in the knowledge that if we misjudge someone all we have to do is raise the alarm and staff (and anyone else within earshot) will come to our aid and help us eject the misbehaving male. It's only since TRAs started insisting that we must accept having male strangers billeted on us without our consent, with no recourse if they behave in a way we consider inappropriate, that it has become an issue.
 
You are lying. You have no idea if thoughts of rape was any kind of factor. You're literally just making ◊◊◊◊ up now.

I don't. Another imaginary silliness from out in Manger Douse World.

Yeah, no. Hard pass on having an argument with voices in your head.
The reason women have safe spaces is to avoid rape - they now have to gatekeep these spaces because the moment you're supporting undeniably demands any man have access to those spaces and undeniably makes those those spaces more dangerous
 
Congratulations, Mr Holmes. You've narrowed the field down to 4 billion suspects. Oh wait...
Now this is an interesting case, because it illustrates something you didn't intend to illustrate. Who did this woman try to kill? A stranger? No. Her husband.

Women can absolutely be criminals. Women can even be rapists. But the pattern of female criminal behavior is DIFFERENT than the pattern of male criminal behavior, ESPECIALLY when it comes to sexual predation. Women do not tend to commit crimes, especially sexual crimes, against strangers. They tend to commit such crimes against people they know.

Why is this relevant to the thread? Because you don't generally need access to bathrooms, changing rooms, etc. in order to access a victim you know. This woman didn't need to follow her husband into a public bathroom to get him alone, she could do that in her own bathroom, or even just her bedroom. Access to spaces such as public bathrooms and changing rooms is primarily relevant to interactions between a perpetrator and a stranger. But women rarely go after strangers. Men frequently do. This is also why no one is worried about trans identifying females entering male spaces. Predatory females don't have an incentive to do that in order to access victims.

So you have not shown that women are just as much of a threat in the context of sex segregated spaces as men. You have instead illustrated why they are not.
 
That is the most frustrating thing about this whole mess. Women have been quietly accepting transwomen we know and trust into our safe spaces for years,
"I can let in my friends if i want but if you ain't my friend youre a second class citizen" seems harsh?
safe in the knowledge that if we misjudge someone all we have to do is raise the alarm and staff (and anyone else within earshot) will come to our aid and help us eject the misbehaving male.
I abso-freaking-lutely gaurantee that if you sounded the verbal alarm for any misbehaving person, male or otherwise, virtually every guy within earshot would come ready to rumble, with yours truly leading the pack. No one is going to ignore a cry for help wondering if it will be politically correct to do so.
It's only since TRAs started insisting that we must accept having male strangers billeted on us without our consent, with no recourse if they behave in a way we consider inappropriate, that it has become an issue.
I really don't think that anyone is demanding that any behavior be tolerated for any reason. And this "by my permission" angle makes no sense in a public space. What happens when a transwoman gets the pass from everyone, but this Buffalo Wings worker strolls in? Can she demand boob inspections of everyone, including you, at her sole discretion?
 
And yet, and yet.

Between 2023 and 2025, we conducted 1,452 confidential interviews with undergraduates at Norwestern University and the University of Michigan.​
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We asked: Have you ever pretended to hold more progressive views than you truly endorse to succeed socially or academically? An astounding 88 percent said yes...​
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Perhaps most telling: 77 percent said they disagreed with the idea that gender identity should override biological sex in such domains as sports, healthcare, of public data - but would never voice that disagreement aloud...​

I wouldn't count on the youth agreeing with you on this issue.
 
"I can let in my friends if i want but if you ain't my friend youre a second class citizen" seems harsh?
Am I a second class citizen because I'm an ordinary male? I'm excluded from the women's bathroom.
I really don't think that anyone is demanding that any behavior be tolerated for any reason.
Sure they are. They are demanding that males intruding on female spaces (behavior) be tolerated because they claim a gender identity (for any reason).
 
Am I a second class citizen because I'm an ordinary male? I'm excluded from the women's bathroom.
And no one is inviting you in. See how that works? It has nothing to do with you and I and 99+% of bio males. Pixel is the one who wants to let in who she pleases. Do you think you can invite some girls into the men's room at your sole discretion? Does Ms Pixel swing the door wide for you to come in if she feels like it? More importantly, would you accept her invitation?

Pixel42 is obliquely acknowledging the pro trans POV. Transwomen are male, but not really strictly men, or women. They are kind of in a gray area.
 
I didn't say all.

Hell, most guys would likey prefer a female just because she likely has smaller diameter fingers.
Thinking about this, when you said you would prefer to be intimately examined by a woman when the situation demanded, is there any reason a female could refuse to preform this examination on you personally and you wouldn't think of her as a bigot?
 
"I can let in my friends if i want but if you ain't my friend youre a second class citizen" seems harsh?

Do you let just anyone into your home?

I abso-freaking-lutely gaurantee that if you sounded the verbal alarm for any misbehaving person, male or otherwise, virtually every guy within earshot would come ready to rumble, with yours truly leading the pack. No one is going to ignore a cry for help wondering if it will be politically correct to do so.

And if the women daren't raise the alarm because they know all the male has to do is utter some magic words and the staff - and the law - will be on his side?

Most women's instinct when confronted with a stroppy entitled male who is bigger and stronger than they are is to placate and retreat. Women like Sandie Peggie are rare. Most of us need to be 100% sure that help will come before raising that alarm.

I really don't think that anyone is demanding that any behavior be tolerated for any reason. And this "by my permission" angle makes no sense in a public space. What happens when a transwoman gets the pass from everyone, but this Buffalo Wings worker strolls in? Can she demand boob inspections of everyone, including you, at her sole discretion?

Plenty of people are demanding that indecent exposure and voyeurism be tolerated - but only in what used to be female safe spaces.

And yes if any woman has an issue with a male in their safe space then that male should leave, even if the rest are OK with it.
 

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