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Face, meet leopard. Leopard, meet face.

Laura Loomer convinced Donald Trump to get remove Dr. Vinay Prasad from several high ranking positions at FDA. Science-based medicine has covered this topic extensively: "However, Dr. Prasad told people to stop talking about COVID and unfortunately for him, they did. The COVID coalition shattered and the leopards came for his face too. As one person rightly said about Dr. Prasad’s downfall, “Live by the crank, die by the crank.“"
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Add to that companies at risk of shutting down because a lot of tourists aren't visiting the USA anymore.
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Speaking of which...

I saw TV advertising for 'Disney World' (USA) the other day.

I don't think I've ever seen this before.

They must be getting pretty desperate if they're advertising in Adelaide, South Australia.
 
novaphile said:
Speaking of which...

I saw TV advertising for 'Disney World' (USA) the other day.

I don't think I've ever seen this before.

They must be getting pretty desperate if they're advertising in Adelaide, South Australia.
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Sydney radio stations are desperately giving away US tour packages as prizes. The punters are not very enthused... Not the tour content, which is fine in and of itself, but the US passport/visa/border situation.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Ok, then I will revise "closes" to "suffering unexpected and crippling financial difficulties".
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There's some really interesting selectiveness involved here.

If a business were facing unexpected and crippling financial difficulties because they could no longer illegally use children to do the work, would you have sympathy for that business? What if they were facing challenges because they could no longer violate labor laws by forcing their employees to work 12 hour days with no overtime and without breaks?

I get that you have sympathy with people who want to be in the US. But what you're actually doing is expressing sympathy with employers who are violating the law.
 
Emily's Cat said:
There's some really interesting selectiveness involved here.

If a business were facing unexpected and crippling financial difficulties because they could no longer illegally use children to do the work, would you have sympathy for that business? What if they were facing challenges because they could no longer violate labor laws by forcing their employees to work 12 hour days with no overtime and without breaks?

I get that you have sympathy with people who want to be in the US. But what you're actually doing is expressing sympathy with employers who are violating the law.
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Where on earth did he express sympathy for employers?
 
Norman Alexander said:
Sydney radio stations are desperately giving away US tour packages as prizes. The punters are not very enthused... Not the tour content, which is fine in and of itself, but the US passport/visa/border situation.
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Oh yes!

I've heard some of that here too.

Win a trip to LA in particular.

It didn't occur to me that, that was advertising, but of course it is!
 
Emily's Cat said:
There's some really interesting selectiveness involved here.

If a business were facing unexpected and crippling financial difficulties because they could no longer illegally use children to do the work, would you have sympathy for that business? What if they were facing challenges because they could no longer violate labor laws by forcing their employees to work 12 hour days with no overtime and without breaks?

I get that you have sympathy with people who want to be in the US. But what you're actually doing is expressing sympathy with employers who are violating the law.
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As Darat said, no sympathy for those employers, nor should they be violating labour laws. If they have to act illegally with employees to make a profit or even cut even then they are not very capable business people. Sucks to be them if they go under.

And I have always contended that there should be legal paths to US residency and citizenship for immigrants from anywhere. There are, but the current administration is ignoring all that. They have a different agenda entirely, not assimilation but eugenics. If someone is brown, they are outta the USA.

So please don't put words in my mouth.
 
Darat said:
Where on earth did he express sympathy for employers?
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Like... the entire post that prompted my response?
Norman Alexander said:
If we had to record every "US business closes because Trump-supporting owner loses critical immigrant employees to ICE raids" story, there would be tens of thousands of essential the same story, over and over. There's many big cat ranches already reporting drastic shortages of hungry leopards.
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plague311 said:
The irony being, as has been brought up a zillion times, if we fined the employers $10,000 for each illegal immigrant they hired then there wouldn't be any illegals "taking r jerbz!" would there?
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That's too low a fine. Needs to be high enough that hiring someone legally and doing all of the proper checks presents a material savings to the company. Maybe $10K per month of employment of each illegal employee - including visa overstays.
 
Norman Alexander said:
As Darat said, no sympathy for those employers, nor should they be violating labour laws. If they have to act illegally with employees to make a profit or even cut even then they are not very capable business people. Sucks to be them if they go under.
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Your post appeared to be complaining about companies being closing and/or suffering hardship because of ICE raids. That suggests at least some aspect of sympathy for the company itself. It seems like a reasonable inference from what you wrote. If you have a different intent, by all means elaborate and alleviate my misunderstanding.
Norman Alexander said:
And I have always contended that there should be legal paths to US residency and citizenship for immigrants from anywhere. There are, but the current administration is ignoring all that. They have a different agenda entirely, not assimilation but eugenics. If someone is brown, they are outta the USA.
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This belongs in CT. But don't let that slow you down any.
Norman Alexander said:
So please don't put words in my mouth.
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I didn't.
 
Emily's Cat said:
That's too low a fine. Needs to be high enough that hiring someone legally and doing all of the proper checks presents a material savings to the company. Maybe $10K per month of employment of each illegal employee - including visa overstays.
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Fines just mean the wealthiest will get away with it -- like the people who figure out their parking tickets cost less than paying for a city garage space. I think custodial sentences for the perpetrators would be more effective at deterrence.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Fines just mean the wealthiest will get away with it -- like the people who figure out their parking tickets cost less than paying for a city garage space. I think custodial sentences for the perpetrators would be more effective at deterrence.
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Or something along the lines of business license suspension\revocation. Force them to put some skin in the game.
 
any company in a tourist hotspot that isn't running a giant profit margin is going to feel it

roadgenius.com

US Tourism Statistics - How Many Tourists Visit? (2025)

In 2023, the US welcomed over 66.5 million international tourists - a 31% increase from 2022, but still 16.3% below the visitor numbers of 2019.
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here's a bunch of stats on how many international tourists come to the country and how much they spend.
 
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