Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

"Autogynephiliacs"

"Delusional"

"Mentally ill"

"Dysphorics"

Y'all half wit psychoanalysts would laugh your fool heads off if some other unqualified nit wit strolled onto the forum and started making unconventional medical diagnoses with no qualifications whatsoever.
Some things are blindingly obvious.

Y'all don't need a medical degree to know that if your head is severed, your dead.

Y'all don't need a medical degree to know that if your balls are cut off, you're never gonna father children.

Y'all don't need a medical degree to know that when a man believes he's a woman, then looks down and sees a cock and balls hanging from his groin, and STILL thinks he's a woman, that he is a mental case.

But go ahead @Thermal. If you want to twist yourself up like a pretzel and believe he's truly a women for realsies, you go ahead - no-one here is stopping you. If denial of scientific and objective reality is what rocks your boat, who am I to question your beliefs.
 
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...I know who the two are who accosted and threatened my daughters in public toilets and a public swimming pool changing room. Both selfID TIMs. If they try that again, they're going to get a face full of pepper spray.
You mention this quite frequently, but I'm really not clear on it. When you fleshed them out earlier, you said, regarding the first:

My youngest was accosted by a trans-identifying male in the public toilets in Montgomery Car Park in Nelson. He tried to grab her backpack, she turned and told him he couldn't be in the women's toilets and to get out... he screamed something to the effect "I'm a woman too. You can't make me!" He tried to grab her arm - she dropped him with a kick in the nuts.
Your daughter, when faced with a wannabe bag snatcher, chose that time to argue about trans acces in restrooms? And when this person 'tried to grab her arm', your daughter violently attacked them?

You give no year of this incident (and I'm not a NZer and don't claim familiarity with your laws), but wasn't it in fact perfectly legal for a transwoman to be in a women's restroom at least as of the Human Rights Act of 1993? You indicate no verbal threats from the transperson.When faced with an attempted bag-grab and an attempted arm grab (neither successful in your version), your daughter countered with an actual dangerous and out of proportion response? In this story, your daughter is the violent attacker against a couple ineffectual attempted grabs.

And don't get me wrong: I agree with the response. I just wouldn't frame it as the trans person being the aggresor. In my US State, there are proportionality restrictions on how you respond to something like an attempted grab. I would assume New Zealand has something similar?
After that happened, I "armed" both of them.
Committing to willful criminality when your daughter seems well capable of taking care of herself, but ok.
A couple of years later, my oldest was about to get changed at Riverside Pool in Nelson when a man entered the women's changing room. She told him to leave, he refused... "Transwomen are allowed in here" he said. She again told him to leave, and when a second woman walked up to him and told him to leave, he physically shoved her away. My daughter then gave him face-full of home-made pepper spray and both girls got out while they could. Neither of them have ever been back to that pool.
This one is much harder to decipher. Your daughter, illegally armed, walked up and harassed someone who actually had every right to be where they were, either by law or policy or both. Then another woman does the same, and gets shoved. So your daughter draws her illegal weapon and shoots him in the face with homemade chemicals? And after the illegal assault, they both get out of dodge like fleeing criminals, which at least your daughter actually was (although you say in other versions your daughter hung around and complained to management, who said your daughter was a transphobe, post #8,374). In your telling, the second transperson, like the first, also makes no threats.

How is your second daughter not entirely the instigator, harrasser and aggressor in your own version?
 
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Now, I wonder why that is :rolleyes:

They are doing the 'because I said so' thing, to answer your question.

Sometimes, its so blindingly obvious that doing a thing is not going to work, that it needs no data to support it... changing labels from men/woman to male/female on public toilets is one of those things.

Why is it obvious? Because you said so?

Not every one of them, just the majority


Yup. That has been my observation.


Good for you.


I know who the two are who accosted and threatened my daughters in public toilets and a public swimming pool changing room. Both selfID TIMs. If they try that again, they're going to get a face full of pepper spray. However, that is not likely to happen now, as both daughters have self-selected out of using those facilities now. That is how the intimidatory tactics of TRAs work - using violence and threats to get their way. With their protest behaviour, their online harassment and bullying campaigns, their letter writing campaigns to the employers of gender critical people, their threats of violence and death to towards gender-critical woman and their families. Believe them when they show everyone EXACTLY who they are!

Heres where I draw the line. If you support TRAs in ANY way, their beliefs OR their aims OR their motives OR their tactics, then you are indistiguishable from them. If a TIM attends a TRA protest, they are a TRA. Lesbians, Gays and BiSexual people the world over are currently distancing themselves as much as they can from the LGBT community because they want none of this. TIMs would be well advised to do the same. They need to distance themselves from TRAs by NOT joining into these protests.
What does TIM stand for? Anyway it sounds like you had a bad experience with transpeople, fair enough. If they were getting in peoples faces or making an issue then maybe they were on the extreme tra side? It's not representative of the average transperson.
 
What does TIM stand for?
"Transgender identified/identifying male". The transman version is "transgender identifying female (TIF).

They are both acknowledged derogatory slurs. Those who use these longer, more awkward and confusing terms are wearing their position on their sleeves, which is helpful in its way. Easy ID.
 
You mention this quite frequently, but I'm really not clear on it. When you fleshed them out earlier, you said, regarding the first:


Your daughter, when faced with a wannabe bag snatcher, chose that time to argue about trans acces in restrooms? And when this person 'tried to grab her arm', your daughter violently attacked them?

You give no year of this incident (and I'm not a NZer and don't claim familiarity with your laws), but wasn't it in fact perfectly legal for a transwoman to be in a women's restroom at least as of the Human Rights Act of 1993? You indicate no verbal threats from the transperson.When faced with an attempted bag-grab and an attempted arm grab (neither successful in your version), your daughter countered with an actual dangerous and out of proportion response? In this story, your daughter is the violent attacker against a couple ineffectual attempted grabs.

And don't get me wrong: I agree with the response. I just wouldn't frame it as the trans person being the aggresor. In my US State, there are proportionality restrictions on how you respond to something like an attempted grab. I would assume New Zealand has something similar?

Committing to willful criminality when your daughter seems well capable of taking care of herself, but ok.

This one is much harder to decipher. Your daughter, illegally armed, walked up and harassed someone who actually had every right to be where they were, either by law or policy or both. Then another woman does the same, and gets shoved. So your daughter draws her illegal weapon and shoots him in the face with homemade chemicals? And after the illegal assault, they both get out of dodge like fleeing criminals, which at least your daughter actually was (although you say in other versions your daughter hung around and complained to management, who said your daughter was a transphobe, post #8,374). In your telling, the second transperson, like the first, also makes no threats.

How is your second daughter not entirely the instigator, harrasser and aggressor in your own version?
It seems they had two bad experiences with a particular group, then decided to treat everyone in that global group as the same thing.
Or the story is bollocks.
 
"Transgender identified/identifying male". The transman version is "transgender identifying female (TIF).

They are both acknowledged derogatory slurs. Those who use these longer, more awkward and confusing terms are wearing their position on their sleeves, which is helpful in its way. Easy ID.
Oh wow. They are using sex terms as a label instead of gender terms? wow.

EDIT: It's weird then, on the insistence that male female labels in spaces would never work?
 
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"Autogynephiliacs"

"Delusional"

"Mentally ill"

"Dysphorics"

Y'all half wit psychoanalysts would laugh your fool heads off if some other unqualified nit wit strolled onto the forum and started making unconventional medical diagnoses with no qualifications whatsoever.
Whereas the TRA side thinks the doctor who delivered them somehow mistook their gender. Doc looked at their girl penises and incorrectly assumed that made them males. Could happen to anybody.
 
Whereas the TRA side thinks the doctor who delivered them somehow mistook their gender. Doc looked at their girl penises and incorrectly assumed that made them males. Could happen to anybody.
Agreed the 'assigning' thing is getting silly. But I'm holding the standard to our esteemed skeptics, who should know better.
 
It seems they had two bad experiences with a particular group, then decided to treat everyone in that global group as the same thing.
That seems unfair for him to do from our POV, but as a dad myself, I get it. Someone messes with my kids, and I'll hate them and anyone who looks like them. Not purely rational, of course, but natural dad stuff.
Or the story is bollocks.
Well, he is getting the version second hand, but I believe him and that the recounting that his daughters gave actually happened. But if it happened as smartcooky says, he is embellishing the short version pretty heavily for rhetorical purposes.
 
"Transgender identified/identifying male". The transman version is "transgender identifying female (TIF).

They are both acknowledged derogatory slurs.

Acknowledged by whom? The same TRAs who also object to the word you used in e.g post #10303?



Transgender Woman
A woman who was assigned male at birth may use this term to describe herself. She may shorten it to trans woman. (Note: trans woman, not “transwoman.”) Some may prefer to simply be called women, without any modifier.

Trans identifying male is accurate and unambiguous. Which is probably why TRAs don't like it.
 
You mention this quite frequently, but I'm really not clear on it. When you fleshed them out earlier, you said, regarding the first:

Your daughter, when faced with a wannabe bag snatcher, chose that time to argue about trans acces in restrooms? And when this person 'tried to grab her arm', your daughter violently attacked them?
How to tell everyone you don't know what assault looks like without saying you don't know what assault looks like.

He tried to take her back pack, then he grabbed her by the arm. That is assault, she defended herself by ending the confrontation quickly.

You give no year of this incident (and I'm not a NZer and don't claim familiarity with your laws), but wasn't it in fact perfectly legal for a transwoman to be in a women's restroom at least as of the Human Rights Act of 1993? You indicate no verbal threats from the transperson.
Also, he was a man in the women's restroom. Claiming to be a TIM doesn't make him immune from a kick in the nuts when he tries to assault a woman.

When faced with an attempted bag-grab and an attempted arm grab (neither successful in your version), your daughter countered with an actual dangerous and out of proportion response? In this story, your daughter is the violent attacker against a couple ineffectual attempted grab.
Spoken like a true Transgender Activist...framing an assault on a woman as the woman being mean to a poor tranny flower . Showing your true colours now aren't you!

And don't get me wrong: I agree with the response. I just wouldn't frame it as the trans person being the aggresor. In my US State, there are proportionality restrictions on how you respond to something like an attempted grab. I would assume New Zealand has something similar?
As I have said before, no-one cares what the laws are in your tiny neck of the backwoods. They don't apply here.

This one is much harder to decipher. Your daughter, illegally armed, walked up and harassed someone who actually had every right to be where they were, either by law or policy or both.
Your framing of this is so twisted, I'm surprised you can even post this with a straight face.

It was a who was somewhere he had no right to be. This man only claimed to be trans AFTER being challenged for being a man in the women's changing room. My daughter (rightly IMO) perceived his response as just an excuse for being there.

Then another woman does the same, and gets shoved. So your daughter draws her illegal weapon and shoots him in the face with homemade chemicals?
...and then when he committed an ASSUALT against another woman, my daughter acted in defence of that woman. (yes, like you, we have laws that allow defence of another).[/QUOTE]

Now, as is usual with you, you have ignored who and what I was responding to the content of my posts about the assults, and snipped out the context. You do this a lot!!!

The post I was responding to was
Do you honestly believe that a Transwoman is any more dangerous to any of your daughters than any male they might go out on a date with? Is a transwoman any more likely to commit a violent crime than any male?
and the FIRST line of my reply was...

One who has self ID'd? Yup.
This gave the post the neccessary context that it was about the dangers of selfID. You snipped this bit out in order to allow you to framce it as an attack by women on a couple of poor, defenseless snowflakes. You make me want to puke!

These men you are so despserate to defend gave NO outward appearance of being anything other than males being in a place where they had no right to be, who then played the "I'm trans" card when challenged for it. THAT is the danger that women face when selfID happens.
 
"Transgender identified/identifying male". The transman version is "transgender identifying female (TIF).
Correct

They are both acknowledged derogatory slurs.
Only in the minds of TRAs, their sycophants, and the ideologically captured.
For the rest of the people in the world (the sane ones) it is clinically accurate nomenclature

Those who use these longer, more awkward and confusing terms are wearing their position on their sleeves, which is helpful in its way. Easy ID.
There is only one side in this debate that is desperate to sow confusion, and it ain't the gender critical side.

Which is more confusing?
Calling a male (and who is therefore a man, not a woman) who identifies as transgender, a "transgender identified man"?
Calling a male (and who is therefore a man, not a woman) who identifies as transgender, a transwoman ?

Take all the time you need with this one
 
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Oh wow. They are using sex terms as a label instead of gender terms? wow.

EDIT: It's weird then, on the insistence that male female labels in spaces would never work?
This is just about as stupid an argument I have seen in this thread.

Maybe you missed the little sketches on Sesame Street when you were growing up... the ones that went....

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How to tell everyone you don't know what assault looks like without saying you don't know what assault looks like.

He tried to take her back pack, then he grabbed her by the arm. That is assault, she defended herself by ending the confrontation quickly.
Common assault, not assault with intent to injure, by your description. NZ law does require proportional response, which it seems your daughter may not be on the happy side of. But again, I'm asking you to tell the story consistently, in one version. If you are going to mention it every few pages, you should be able to give the same version, not 5 or 6 different ones.
Also, he was a man in the women's restroom.
Yes, which was perfectly legal, I take it? You describe your daughters as being in their early 40s. The Human Rights Act of 1993 was enacted over thirty years ago. So unless your daughters were 10 (or younger?) in your recounting, those transpeople were allowed to be where they were under your laws.
Claiming to be a TIM doesn't make him immune from a kick in the nuts when he tries to assault a woman.
Agreed. I just acknowledge the criminality of it, and don't try to blame someone else.
Spoken like a true Transgender Activist...framing an assault on a woman as the woman being mean to a poor tranny flower . Showing your true colours now aren't you!
I'm recounting your own version. I don't think you stopped to consider what you were typing. Your older daughter harassed a transperson who was allowed to be where they were. She was armed with an illegal weapon when she did so, and used it, then fled (or stayed and chatted with management and police, depending on which version you are telling).
As I have said before, no-one cares what the laws are in your tiny neck of the backwoods. They don't apply here.
Yes, I just said that. Oh, and 'tiny neck of the backwoods'? LOL! My US State has nearly double the population and nearly triple the GDP of your whole ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ country, and is shouldered between NYC and Philly. One of us is tiny and in the backwoods, for sure. But at least you are punching up.
Your framing of this is so twisted, I'm surprised you can even post this with a straight face.

It was a who was somewhere he had no right to be.
Are you saying this happened prior to 1993, then? Because as you're telling it, the transperson had both the legal right to be there, and was in compliance with the management's policy. Only your illegally armed daughter who harrased the transperson and provoked a confrontation was in the wrong.
This man only claimed to be trans AFTER being challenged for being a man in the women's changing room. My daughter (rightly IMO) perceived his response as just an excuse for being there.
Oh, a new version! What's this one, #7? Now they weren't trans at all, but opportunistic criminals. Which is odd, because earlier you said:
... my daughters, both of whom were aggressively accosted by transwomen...
... both of my daughters (in their early 40's both of whom have been confronted by verbally nasty and aggressive transwomen in women's safe spaces) ...
But in this new version, they weren't even transwomen at all!
...and then when he committed an ASSUALT against another woman, my daughter acted in defence of that woman. (yes, like you, we have laws that allow defence of another).
Ours allow defense to stop an attack, and no more. By your recounting, the transwomen (or regular guys, I'm not sure which version you are on at the moment) were not attacking or threatening to do so. A shove or 'attempted grab' is schoolyard bull ◊◊◊◊, and does not warrant assault with intent to injure, and certainly not with illegal concealed weapons.
Now, as is usual with you, you have ignored who and what I was responding to the content of my posts about the assults, and snipped out the context. You do this a lot!!
No. You brought up the ever changing daughter attacks again, and I asked you to clarify so that they made sense in any context. I only chose that one because it was the most recent version, although you have given a new one now, where they weren't even transwomen. Except for the versions where they were. It's "confusing".

This gave the post the neccessary context that it was about the dangers of selfID. You snipped this bit out in order to allow you to framce it as an attack by women on a couple of poor, defenseless snowflakes. You make me want to puke!
Oh, it was about the dangers of selfID?Gee, seems like you would have mentioned that the guys were not trans, but opportunistically exploiting the selfID provision. Slipped your mind, did it? Or did you just make that one up yesterday?
These men you are so despserate to defend gave NO outward appearance of being anything other than males being in a place where they had no right to be, who then played the "I'm trans" card when challenged for it. THAT is the danger that women face when selfID happens.
Except when you say they are transwomen when you want to portray transwomen as dangerous criminals.
 
Acknowledged by whom? The same TRAs who also object to the word you used in e.g post #10303?
Mmmmm...no. I am not interested in TRAspeak, nor do I consult random redditor's opinions to establish fact.

I included the link to a Google search for the term long ago. There is no usage of it except on anti-trans sites, and it's only found definition indicates that it is a derogatory term.
Trans identifying male is accurate and unambiguous. Which is probably why TRAs don't like it.
Sure. That's probably why the professional and medical communities embrace it. Oh, wait...
 
Common assault, not assault with intent to injure, by your description. NZ law does require proportional response, which it seems your daughter may not be on the happy side of. But again, I'm asking you to tell the story consistently, in one version. If you are going to mention it every few pages, you should be able to give the same version, not 5 or 6 different ones.

Yes, which was perfectly legal, I take it? You describe your daughters as being in their early 40s. The Human Rights Act of 1993 was enacted over thirty years ago. So unless your daughters were 10 (or younger?) in your recounting, those transpeople were allowed to be where they were under your laws.

Agreed. I just acknowledge the criminality of it, and don't try to blame someone else.

I'm recounting your own version. I don't think you stopped to consider what you were typing. Your older daughter harassed a transperson who was allowed to be where they were. She was armed with an illegal weapon when she did so, and used it, then fled (or stayed and chatted with management and police, depending on which version you are telling).

Yes, I just said that. Oh, and 'tiny neck of the backwoods'? LOL! My US State has nearly double the population and nearly triple the GDP of your whole ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ country, and is shouldered between NYC and Philly. One of us is tiny and in the backwoods, for sure. But at least you are punching up.

Are you saying this happened prior to 1993, then? Because as you're telling it, the transperson had both the legal right to be there, and was in compliance with the management's policy. Only your illegally armed daughter who harrased the transperson and provoked a confrontation was in the wrong.

Oh, a new version! What's this one, #7? Now they weren't trans at all, but opportunistic criminals. Which is odd, because earlier you said:


But in this new version, they weren't even transwomen at all!

Ours allow defense to stop an attack, and no more. By your recounting, the transwomen (or regular guys, I'm not sure which version you are on at the moment) were not attacking or threatening to do so. A shove or 'attempted grab' is schoolyard bull ◊◊◊◊, and does not warrant assault with intent to injure, and certainly not with illegal concealed weapons.

No. You brought up the ever changing daughter attacks again, and I asked you to clarify so that they made sense in any context. I only chose that one because it was the most recent version, although you have given a new one now, where they weren't even transwomen. Except for the versions where they were. It's "confusing".


Oh, it was about the dangers of selfID?Gee, seems like you would have mentioned that the guys were not trans, but opportunistically exploiting the selfID provision. Slipped your mind, did it? Or did you just make that one up yesterday?

Except when you say they are transwomen when you want to portray transwomen as dangerous criminals.
I've come to the conclusion that you are incapable of honest debate. It has not gone unnoticed that you continually twist the words of others, reframe others posts to mean things that were never intended, and you seem to have a never-ending supply of straw.
From here on, I will treat everything you say with the contempt it deserves.
 
Mmmmm...no. I am not interested in TRAspeak, nor do I consult random redditor's opinions to establish fact.

It was the trans identifying males on the Doctor Who forum I belong to who explained to me why transwoman is offensive, for the same reason as given in the reddit post which is why I included it as the other link didn't give the reason. They are actual for real 100% women, you see, the adjective trans just gives their subcategory (like old woman, young woman etc). Without the space the single word might be taken to refer to something other than a type of woman, and that is unacceptable and offensive. They also told me that describing them as male is offensive. They firmly believe that reality has been changed by the thoughts in their head, a belief I do not share.

By all means continue to use the term transwoman if you also do not share that belief, I just thought you might be interested to know that it is considered offensive by the people you are using it to describe, and why.

I included the link to a Google search for the term long ago. There is no usage of it except on anti-trans sites, and it's only found definition indicates that it is a derogatory term.

This is the only place I've seen it, and I'm using it because it is the first term I've seen that is both accurate and unambiguous. No definition for it is required, the established definitions for the individual components make it self explanatory. I can't say I'm surprised to learn that it is also considered offensive by people who sincerely believe that reality can be changed by their thoughts.
 
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This is the only place I've seen it, and I'm using it because it is the first term I've seen that is both accurate and unambiguous. No definition for it is required, the established definitions for the individual components make it self explanatory. I can't say I'm surprised to learn that it is also considered offensive by people who sincerely believe that reality can be changed by their thoughts.
He's wrong. The term "Transgender Identified Men" has pretty much been used by all gender critical people in the public arena - Dr. Helen Joyce, Prof. Kathleen Lowery, Maya Forstater, Joanne Rowling, Colin Wright, Prof. Richard Dawkins, Prof. Kathleen Stock, Stephen Gliske, Prof. Nate Hiers, Linda Gottfriedsen, Prof. Selina Todd, Jerry Coyne, Prof. Heather Heying, Dr. Emma Hilton and Steve Pinker are just a few of the many examples.

Pretty much all UK media aside from those that have been captured by gender ideology, also use the term.

Of course, regarding all people or any organizations that do not follow (or that dare to challenge) the Holy Creed of the Gender Ideology Cult, to be nothing more than a bunch of tranny-bashing bigots, is the standard position for the TRA contingent participating in this thread. Even in their often incomprehensible, flip-flopping statements, they have at least made this abundently clear.
 

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