Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Emily's Cat]

Is that transwoman being incarcerated with men more dangerous to them? Is it more dangerous than it is to other men?

Why don't you give any ◊◊◊◊◊ for the females in this equation you've got in your head?

Seriously, if Pat the Fox is at risk from other foxes, I'm all for trying to find a way to protect Pat from other foxes. But you know what I DON'T think is a reasonable way to protect Pat the Fox? Putting Pat in the Henhouse.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Aren't there at least two distinct safety questions in play here?

Nah, the safety of mere females doesn't count. It's only the safety of transgender identified males that matters. If some females get hurt, well, that's acceptable collateral damage in the war to make sure that males don't get hurt feelings when reality doesn't conform to their wishes.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I on the other hand am amazed by posters who are so blinded by ideology that they pretend to be able to read minds, inferring negative motivations. Highly unimpressive.

You remain one of my favorite posters, varwoche.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Rather than adopt the Cass inquiry recommendations, Australian government has ordered a review into puberty blockers and other treatment of children, with preliminary findings delivered by mid 3026.

Best typo ever.

 

[lionking]

Best typo ever.

Whoops…

 

[varwoche]

99.8 percent aren't intersex. So what?

You claim that "few" people fit into the "box". And that it's "arbitrary". I've pointed out that the number of people who actually don't fit into the box represents a tiny percentage of the population. That's what.

 

[varwoche]

I've already agreed for competition sake, it is best that we should use a biological sex marker to segregate men's and women's sports. I'm merely pointing out this far more nuanced than the average Joe wants to think.

How very binary of you. One might be tempted to postulate that you're crapping on the Trans people.

But you know, some things are indeed binary. Such as biological sex. (Except for that tiny percentage.)

 

[acbytesla]

How very binary of you. One might be tempted to postulate that you're crapping on the Trans people.

But you know, some things are indeed binary. Such as biological sex.
(Except for that tiny percentage.)

So they're not binary. And gender isn't biology. Gender is a social presentation usually associated with sex. It is cultural and always has been.

 

[theprestige]

Rather than adopt the Cass inquiry recommendations, Australian government has ordered a review into puberty blockers and other treatment of children, with preliminary findings delivered by mid 2026

Federal government orders review of treatment guidelines for trans kids

The Albanese government has ordered a review of the Australian standards of care and treatment guidelines for trans and gender-diverse children and adolescents.

www.abc.net.au

This is gutless pandering to trans lobbyists in my view. Hopefully states will make their own decisions, like Queensland has in stopping damaging and irreversible puberty blockers.

I see it as the glass half full. The world is long overdue for some good research into puberty blockers. So I'm glad at least one government has mandated exactly that.

 

[smartcooky]

Do you honestly believe that a Transwoman is any more dangerous to any of your daughters than any male they might go out on a date with?

One who has self ID'd? Yup.
BOTH of my daughters have had one encounter each with Self ID trans-identifying males. One in a public restroom, the other in the changing rooms of a local public swimming poll. Both had potential for violence.

My youngest was accosted by a trans-identifying male in the public toilets in Montgomery Car Park in Nelson. He tried to grab her backpack, she turned and told him he couldn't be in the women's toilets and to get out... he screamed something to the effect "I'm a woman too. You can't make me!" He tried to grab her arm - she dropped him with a kick in the nuts. After that happened, I "armed" both of them.

A couple of years later, my oldest was about to get changed at Riverside Pool in Nelson when a man entered the women's changing room. She told him to leave, he refused... "Transwomen are allowed in here" he said. She again told him to leave, and when a second woman walked up to him and told him to leave, he physically shoved her away. My daughter then gave him face-full of home-made pepper spray and both girls got out while they could. Neither of them have ever been back to that pool.

Meanwhile, both of them went out on many dates with young men over the years before they both finally got married. None of those men ever harmed them or were violent towards them. So to answer your question, yeah, in my experience, self ID transwomen have been far more of a danger to my daughter than any men they have ever dated. I brought them up to be good judges of character, and they CHOSE the men they dated wisely. But, you don't get to chose who might enter a private safe space when you are vulnerable

Is a transwoman any more likely to commit a violent crime than any male?

Yes, and you have been presented multiple times with evidence this is the case by Rolfe and others. You problem is you don't lik the evidence presented because it doesn't fit with your chosen narrative, so you came up with some feeble excuses to handwave it away

You are unconvincable on this tpic

 

[smartcooky]

For example, you'll notice that I don't crap on people who say that discriminating against gender expressions should be prohibited in housing, employment, etc. I agree that such discrimination should be banned. I fully support everyone who feels that way.
Who I do crap on are the people that say that men should be entitled to women's spaces and categories, on no other basis than because those men say they want to. That position arises from and embodies an entire paradigm that is toxic and harmful to everyone. Please be honest enough to acknowledge the distinction I'm making. Please be honest enough to not pretend I'm crapping on people who don't deserve it.

This is what TRAs and people who think like acbytesla wil never get. The are so brainwashed into their blinkered, ideological view of the world, they are unable to see this. They don't see the obvious nuance that you can support trandgender people's right's to housing and employment, but be against abrogating women's rights by giving transwomen the right to access women's safe spaces, and that holding the the latter view doesn't make tou a transphobe.

In the eyes of TRAs anyone who even questions their narrative is a transphobe.

 

[Matthew Best]

Them

Woah. This is confusing. You're amazed at the need that insecure people have to find a group they can crap on. The group you like to crap on is the insecure people who have that need. Doesn't that mean that you're one of those insecure people yourself, and consequently you like to crap on yourself? Personally I think this is one of those kinks that I'm in favour of kink-shaming -if you're doing this in public, I mean. I guess if you keep it to the confines of your own house, that's OK.

 

[Rolfe]

One who has self ID'd? Yup.
BOTH of my daughters have had one encounter each with Self ID trans-identifying males. One in a public restroom, the other in the changing rooms of a local public swimming poll. Both had potential for violence.

My youngest was accosted by a trans-identifying male in the public toilets in Montgomery Car Park in Nelson. He tried to grab her backpack, she turned and told him he couldn't be in the women's toilets and to get out... he screamed something to the effect "I'm a woman too. You can't make me!" He tried to grab her arm - she dropped him with a kick in the nuts. After that happened, I "armed" both of them.

A couple of years later, my oldest was about to get changed at Riverside Pool in Nelson when a man entered the women's changing room. She told him to leave, he refused... "Transwomen are allowed in here" he said. She again told him to leave, and when a second woman walked up to him and told him to leave, he physically shoved her away. My daughter then gave him face-full of home-made pepper spray and both girls got out while they could. Neither of them have ever been back to that pool.

Meanwhile, both of them went out on many dates with young men over the years before they both finally got married. None of those men ever harmed them or were violent towards them. So to answer your question, yeah, in my experience, self ID transwomen have been far more of a danger to my daughter than any men they have ever dated. I brought them up to be good judges of character, and they CHOSE the men they dated wisely. But, you don't get to chose who might enter a private safe space when you are vulnerable


Yes, and you have been presented multiple times with evidence this is the case by Rolfe and others. You problem is you don't lik the evidence presented because it doesn't fit with your chosen narrative, so you came up with some feeble excuses to handwave it away

You are unconvincable on this tpic

He still seems to be labouring under the delusion that trans-identifying men are all fragile, vulnerable, marginalised flowers, shy and incapable of hurting a fly. There may be some who come over like that, but even there I suspect it's a good act rather than reality.

But we know from anecdotal evidence all over the internet, provided by these exhibitionist fetishists themselves, and by the cold hard statistics on the prison population, that this is by no means typical. The demographic of men who pretend to be women includes a very substantial proportion of extremely unpleasant characters; violent, abusive, entitled and hypersexualised.

The only way to keep these men out of women's spaces is to keep all men out.

 

[theprestige]

He still seems to be labouring under the delusion that trans-identifying men are all fragile, vulnerable, marginalised flowers, shy and incapable of hurting a fly. There may be some who come over like that, but even there I suspect it's a good act rather than reality.

"Maybe Evan isn't a nice boy, maybe he's just a quiet boy."
- Jenny Nicholson

The only way to keep these men out of women's spaces is to keep all men out.

I used to think otherwise. Now I'm convinced this is the only way.

 

[Aber]

Canadian study agrees with Cass review

The evidence surrounding the use of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones in children and teens identifying as transgender is of such low certainty it’s impossible to conclude whether the drugs help or harm, Canadian researchers are reporting.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/transgender-treatments-for-kids

 

[Elaedith]

Canadian study agrees with Cass review

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/transgender-treatments-for-kids

I gave a link to the paper for the puberty blocker one in the Cass report thread.

 

[varwoche]

@abcytesla How about we take it out of the abstract and into practicalities?

You don't think that Trans women should be allowed to compete in sports against biological women. I agree. (Some would label us as transphobes for this alone.) Other than this one issue, my opinions vary depending if the person has physically transitioned.

Should a Trans women who starts a business be allowed to receive government benefits intended for biological women? If they've physically transitioned, sure. If not, no way.

Should a Trans women be permitted to use women's public restrooms? If they've physically transitioned, sure. If not, I have mixed feelings. But considering all factors, I don't think a man who has not transitioned should be allowed. I take it you disagree.

Should Trans women be permitted to hold jobs where they are able to touch/view woman who are in varying states of undress? If they've physically transitioned, sure. If not, I think it's a bad idea.

Should Trans women be imprisoned in a women's prison? If they've physically transitioned, sure. If not, no way.

Should minors be permitted to physically transition? Hell no, but there may be rare exceptions. I don't know enough about puberty blockers to weigh in.


Am I overlooking other scenarios?

 

[Elaedith]

I see it as the glass half full. The world is long overdue for some good research into puberty blockers. So I'm glad at least one government has mandated exactly that.

A review of treatment guidelines is not necessarily going to involve good research into puberty blockers (in the sense of any actual new data).

 

[Brainster]

Am I overlooking other scenarios?

Those are kind of the biggies; there are other minor items like should the government fund gender-affirming drugs and surgery for prisoners and immigrants, and should insurers be required to cover those costs as part of health insurance.

 

[Elaedith]

Those are kind of the biggies; there are other minor items like should the government fund gender-affirming drugs and surgery for prisoners and immigrants, and should insurers be required to cover those costs as part of health insurance.

Why would it matter whether people are prisoners or immigrants? Either there is sufficient evidence to fund a medical procedure as necessary treatment for a diagnosed condition, or there isn't, in which case it is cosmetic and should be self funded.