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Split Thread Students should be punished for protesting

Segnosaur said:
I am not sure if that was a serious question or not....

The nick name 'TACO' stands for Trump Always Chickens Out... it was created largely over Trump's tendency to announce tariffs, then (after the stock market tanks), announce the tariffs will be "delayed/cancelled/etc.".

However, I think the phrase "taco" can be used in other situations as well. For example, his calls in the 2016 election to jail clinton, which didn't go forward, because... trump chickened out (because in that case he realized it was a losing proposition). Or lawsuits he cancelled because he would have to sit for a deposition.
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Or if you want to be super duper, extra kind and respectful to him you can give him his full title. Taco Bellend.
 
Nice to know that I should have been locked up/fined/whatever for stuff like participating in an occupation of university buildings as part of a protest action agin certain government policies affecting universities back in the '70s.

How about picketing and blockading the nearest branch of Barclay's Bank over their role in supporting appartheid South Africa?

Participating in various other mass demonstrations which most definitely caused some disruption to our capital city, both when a student (university and nursing) and at other times?

Where are lines being drawn over non-violent, but disruptive, protest in a supposedly liberal democrtatic society?
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Nice to know that I should have been locked up/fined/whatever for stuff like participating in an occupation of university buildings as part of a protest action agin certain government policies affecting universities back in the '70s.
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Jailed? Thats if the college wants to charge you with a crime. Its their right.

Carrot Flower King said:
How about picketing and blockading the nearest branch of Barclay's Bank over their role in supporting apartheid South Africa?
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Yes, you could be charged for that.

Carrot Flower King said:
Participating in various other mass demonstrations which most definitely caused some disruption to our capital city, both when a student (university and nursing) and at other times?
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Someone told you that civil disobedience comes without any consequences? LOLLLLOL!!!

Carrot Flower King said:
Where are lines being drawn over non-violent, but disruptive, protest in a supposedly liberal democrtatic society?
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Sorry chap, but civil disobedience sometimes breaks the law, and there are consequences for that.

This is Civil Disobedience and Non-violent Protest 101. You were supposed to read the manual before participating.
 
Hercules56 said:
Jailed? Thats if the college wants to charge you with a crime. Its their right.



Yes, you could be charged for that.



Someone told you that civil disobedience comes without any consequences? LOLLLLOL!!!




Sorry chap, but civil disobedience sometimes breaks the law, and there are consequences for that.

This is Civil Disobedience and Non-violent Protest 101. You were supposed to read the manual before participating.
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OK, so you'll be telling me exactly which of our laws we broke (hint: we mostly didn't, 'cos we did read the manual; other times there was a risk, which everyone knew about)? NB note the mostly.

And, yes, I did know folk who were arrested, albeit never charged, for civil disobedience offences and threatened with other charges. I suppose our authorities reckoned they didn't have good enough evidence to procede with prosecutions.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
OK, so you'll be telling me exactly which of our laws we broke (hint: we mostly didn't, 'cos we did read the manual; other times there was a risk, which everyone knew about)? NB note the mostly.

And, yes, I did know folk who were arrested, albeit never charged, for civil disobedience offences and threatened with other charges. I suppose our authorities reckoned they didn't have good enough evidence to procede with prosecutions.
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Give me details of a specific incident and I'll tell you which laws you could be charged with breaking.

And BTW, you weren't under the juvenile and absurd assumption that there were no consequences, including legal ones, for acts of civil disobedience, were you???????????

I mean really?? WTF told you that?

Do you think when MLK went out and did his daily act of civil disobedience, he told himself "I cant get arrested, Im expressing myself, and I can say what I want and do what I want!!!!"??? OMG reallly??

Damn son, someone done lied to ya.
 
Good oh, carry on not reading everything I wrote and misinterpreting other bits.

I'll not be giving specific details as you have already decided that you have psychic powers and can know what went on when and what folk were thinking.

And, as I said, we did read the manual, to the point that several folk I knew had detailed discussion with police officers over exactly which laws they were to be arrested (turned out some police don't know the laws very well). And yet no-one ended up being prosecuted...
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Good oh, carry on not reading everything I wrote and misinterpreting other bits.

I'll not be giving specific details as you have already decided that you have psychic powers and can know what went on when and what folk were thinking.

And, as I said, we did read the manual, to the point that several folk I knew had detailed discussion with police officers over exactly which laws they were to be arrested (turned out some police don't know the laws very well). And yet no-one ended up being prosecuted...
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Police and DAs have the discretion to choose to NOT press charges or make arrests, even if its obvious laws were broken.
 
Hercules56 said:
Give me details of a specific incident and I'll tell you which laws you could be charged with breaking.

And BTW, you weren't under the juvenile and absurd assumption that there were no consequences, including legal ones, for acts of civil disobedience, were you???????????

I mean really?? WTF told you that?

Do you think when MLK went out and did his daily act of civil disobedience, he told himself "I cant get arrested, Im expressing myself, and I can say what I want and do what I want!!!!"??? OMG reallly??

Damn son, someone done lied to ya.
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I have to ask where exactly you got the idea that anyone here believes that civil disobedience doesn't come with consequences?

I've been involved in protest since the 70s, and trust me, everyone I talked to knows there are consequences, especially after what happened at Kent State.


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AmyStrange said:
I have to ask where exactly you got the idea that anyone here believes that civil disobedience doesn't come with consequences?

I've been involved in protest since the 70s, and trust me, everyone I talked to knows there are consequences, especially after what happened at Kent State.


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Seems several people here are arguing that acts of civil disobedience should come with no consequences, even if the acts are in fact criminal or violate school policies. They seem to think that the social or political agenda of the civil disobedience act should be the deciding factor in whether or not the acts have serious consequences.

I guess they would sort of say that if your act of disobedience is anti-israel or anti-apartheid, you should face no consequences. But if your act is against abortion or in support of segregation you should go to jail or be kicked out of school.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Seems several people here are arguing that acts of civil disobedience should come with no consequences, even if the acts are in fact criminal or violate school policies. They seem to think that the social or political agenda of the civil disobedience act should be the deciding factor in whether or not the acts have serious consequences.

I guess they would sort of say that if your act of disobedience is anti-israel or anti-apartheid, you should face no consequences. But if your act is against abortion or in support of segregation you should go to jail or be kicked out of school.
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Seems? Really? Where did someone post that?


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Ok, lets try this again.

Many students at Columbia participated in unsanctioned acts of civil disobedience which violated school policies. Some of these acts included: preventing students from accessing school property based on a perceived political or religious affiliation, taking over school property, disrupting and harassing students during classes and club activities, destruction of property, vandalism.

These were acts of civil disobedience with a specific political agenda, and everybody knows that very often acts of civil disobedience come with consequences, sometimes severe consequences.

So what's the problem here?

Should it actually make a difference that the agenda of these protesters was to stop the war in Gaza and for justice for Palestinians?
 
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Hercules56 said:
Ok, lets try this again.

Many students at Columbia participated in unsanctioned acts of civil disobedience which violated school policies. Some of these acts included: preventing students from accessing school property based on a perceived political or religious affiliation, taking over school property, disrupting and harassing students during classes and club activities, destruction of property, vandalism.

These were acts of civil disobedience with a specific political agenda, and everybody knows that very often acts of civil disobedience come with consequences, sometimes severe consequences.

So what's the problem here?

Should it actually make a difference that the agenda of these protesters was to stop the war in Gaza and for justice for Palestinians?
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Exactly, so what exactly is the problem you're having?


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AmyStrange said:
Exactly, so what exactly is the problem you're having?
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I approve of many of the Columbia students being punished for their protest activities, if they violated the school code of conduct. Some people here seem to have a problem with this idea. They seem to believe that acts of civil disobedience and nonviolent protests that are not sanctioned, should go without consequence based on the political agenda of the protesters.

And I think that is bull ◊◊◊◊.
 
Hercules56 said:
I approve of many of the Columbia students being punished for their protest activities, if they violated the school code of conduct. Some people here seem to have a problem with this idea. They seem to believe that acts of civil disobedience and nonviolent protests that are not sanctioned, should go without consequence based on the political agenda of the protesters.
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I'm still waiting to read where or how you got that idea from "some people here"?

Who exactly are you referring to?


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