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Merged why the release of names associated with Epstein mean little to absolutely nothing.

dirtywick said:
as i recall that was in the middle of when a bunch of maga influencers holding up binders of the “files” pr stunt and then bondi said she was going to release the list that was on her desk and that was a preview for them and we just needed trump to ok the release.

then a few weeks later in unison every major maga figure said none of it ever existed. then trump told everyone to stop talking about it and has been acting about as suspicious as possible about it since

so naturally people are curious
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Chief Wiggum: What is your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery?
 
july 7 was the flood where trump held a press conference and told everyone to stop asking about epstein as well
 
The fact is Trump was a friend of Epstein. And Trump was a horn dog. He admitted this on Howard Stern at least a decade before he considered running for office. Does that mean Trump took advantage of Epstein's girls? We' ll probably never know. But I don't think for a second that Trump wouldn't.
 
I can say with confidence that the FBI never had Epstein dirt on Trump. If they did, they would have used it.
 
Ziggurat said:
I can say with confidence that the FBI never had Epstein dirt on Trump. If they did, they would have used it.
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What does that mean? I haven't seen conclusive evidence that anyone other than Epstein screwed around with the girls that Epstein took advantage of. But like Bill Clinton, Trump was an associate. Trump was a well known sleazeball. Something Trump was proud of before he got into politics. He cheated on his wives often. All three of them.
 
Ziggurat said:
I can say with confidence that the FBI never had Epstein dirt on Trump. If they did, they would have used it.
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A logical response, but you have to accept that the MAGA crowd is infested with Qanon crazies who've been beating the drum on the whole DC pedophile ring for the last decade. They've been fantasizing about Democrats being frog-marched to prison, and now Trump says no evidence? Like I said earlier, riding the tiger is easy, it's getting off that poses some problems.
 
Standards of proof are significantly different for evidence of crimes the FBI think is actionable and tales of sleaze the voters think is yuk.
 
they are indeed. and even when caught red handed he was able to eventually dismiss the case against himself.
 
acbytesla said:
What does that mean?
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I thought it would be obvious. If the FBI had any evidence of criminal conduct by Trump (and being friends with Epstein isn't criminal conduct), they would have used it already. They didn't, ergo they don't.
 
Ziggurat said:
I thought it would be obvious. If the FBI had any evidence of criminal conduct by Trump (and being friends with Epstein isn't criminal conduct), they would have used it already. They didn't, ergo they don't.
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Not having enough evidence that Donald Trump committed a crime beyond a reasonable is the standard the FBI has. Whereas they has that with Epstein, they probably don't have that with his friends. We know that Trump is a long time sleaze, a more likely than not a rapist and a sexual predator who doesn't care about consent. But you're right the FBI probably doesn't have enough evidence to prove that Trump beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump enjoyed along with Epstein underage girls.
 
Ziggurat said:
Do you remember the Steele dossier?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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What about the Steele dossier? Are you saying that Trump and Epstein weren't friends? That in the 90s both weren't sleazes? The FBI doesn't have pictures of Trump with a 13 year old girl sucking his dick or a canceled Trump check to Underage Hookers Ltd. And even if they did, I'm sure you would make up an excuse for Trump.
 
or that trump hasn’t paid media to have stories killed and interfered with active investigations against his crimes.

besides, he was in contact with russians with regards to his election. the more salacious claims of the steele dossier not being correct doesn’t negate the many things that were accurate
 
acbytesla said:
What about the Steele dossier?
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It was the basis for FBI actions against Trump, even though it did not come close to the standard you allege that the FBI uses.
acbytesla said:
Are you saying that Trump and Epstein weren't friends?
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I'm saying (yet again, because you ignored it last time) that the FBI has no evidence of any criminal involvement of Trump with Epstein.
acbytesla said:
The FBI doesn't have pictures of Trump with a 13 year old girl sucking his dick or a canceled Trump check to Underage Hookers Ltd.
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Indeed, they do not.
acbytesla said:
And even if they did, I'm sure you would make up an excuse for Trump.
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Of course you are. Nothing like making unfalsifiable accusations to smear anyone who disagrees with you.
 
Ziggurat said:
It was the basis for FBI actions against Trump, even though it did not come close to the standard you allege that the FBI uses.
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No, it wasn"t.
Ziggurat said:
I'm saying (yet again, because you ignored it last time) that the FBI has no evidence of any criminal involvement of Trump with Epstein.
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I agree.
Ziggurat said:
Indeed, they do not.
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That's my point.
Ziggurat said:
Of course you are. Nothing like making unfalsifiable accusations to smear anyone who disagrees with you.
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No, not at all. But it's been proven in court that Trump is a sexual predator who not only thinks he's above the law but clearly is to his supporters.
 
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