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Merged why the release of names associated with Epstein mean little to absolutely nothing.

If the FBI or whoever are concealing more names of perpetrators, is there any reason why the victims of those perpetrators cannot come forward?
What kind of question is that? "Cannot"?

Probably the same reason they "could not" come forward even if the FBI didn't have a list of their names.

And that reason is absolutely: "You'll need to ask each of them individually what their personal reasons for not coming forward is."

How could we possibly speculate in good faith about something like that?
 
Just to address one more thing.

You seem to be under the illusion that Epstein only committed these acts, or arranged his friends to have sex with under-aged girls on his island. If that is what you believe, then you clearly have no understanding of this case.

These vile acts took place at ALL of this properties

- 9 East 71st Street, New York
- Zorro Ranch, New Mexico.
- Little St. James Island, US Virgin Islands.
- 358 El Brillo Way, Palm Beach, Florida.
- 16 Avenue Foch, Paris.

and at Ghislaine Maxwell's properties as well

- Kinnerton Street, Belgravia, London.
- 116 East 65th Street in Lenox Hill, New York
- 301 Summer Street, Manhattan, New York
- 338 E Washington Rd, Bradford, New Hampshire

Yeah, I don't like pervs, and I definitely would not vote for one or support the business of anyone that's proven to have participated in underaged arrangements. I'm not alone in this opinion and the Media knows this. Hence I can comfortably accept if there was any connection with Trump and Epstein regarding underaged girls, the connection would have been exposed long ago. It's nice the Media has so much hate for Trump. I can usually count on them to dig up the smallest imperfection about him, while furiously covering for the Left.
 
but wouldn't it be just like the media to conceal that the leftist hollywood elite had a bunch of shady ties to epstein, including those ties with a prominent republican former president? think about it
 
I can usually count on them to dig up the smallest imperfection about him, while furiously covering for the Left.
Of course. It's a known thing that most media streams in America are completely left leaning and will always do anything they can to protect democratic presidents.

Heck, the Clintons in particular are their favorites which is why we never heard anything about them. Yep, Bill is their poster child and we'll never hear about any sex scandal that he ever had.

Good thing he got away with the whole Monica Lewinsky thing, right?
Oh wait...



I also love how you clearly have so little respect to any right wing media outlets to assume if there is dirt on a leftist politician that they are so incompetent that they won't be able to uncover the story on their own.
 
Yeah, I don't like pervs, and I definitely would not vote for one or support the business of anyone that's proven to have participated in underaged arrangements. I'm not alone in this opinion and the Media knows this. Hence I can comfortably accept if there was any connection with Trump and Epstein regarding underaged girls, the connection would have been exposed long ago. It's nice the Media has so much hate for Trump. I can usually count on them to dig up the smallest imperfection about him, while furiously covering for the Left.

Oh, I'm sure The Fat Orange Turd would never do anything creepy or inappropriate involving young women, like, oh say, walking into the changing rooms while they were getting dressed...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...y-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing

... or having 26 women accuse him of sexual misconduct...

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

... or made statements (recorded on tape) about grabbing women by the pussy...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

... or banging Marla Maples while he was still married to his first wife Ivana, and then banging Melania Knauss while he was still married to his second wife Marla, and then banging three porn stars; Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal and Alana Evans during his current marriage to Melania.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...ls-offered-a-two-word-response-to-the-news-17

https://www.nydailynews.com/2018/01...o-hotel-room-wearing-only-his-tighty-whities/

https://www.asianage.com/life/more-...re-president-trumps-6-pornstar-conquests.html

... but creepiest of them all, sexualizing his own daughter...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/01/donald-trump-ivanka-miles-taylor-book-claims

Yup, he's a stand-up guy alright :eye-poppi

 
If the FBI or whoever are concealing more names of perpetrators, is there any reason why the victims of those perpetrators cannot come forward?

If I'd have to play devil's advocate? I'd say threats, intimidation and the fact that in general sexual abuse survivors are not likely to come forward due to the fear of how the public would treat them.

Add that the abusers are rich and powerful people and it gives you more reasons why the victims don't speak up.

Add the conspiracy theories that people killed Epstein in prison and you get even more scared to come forward.


So if in the hypothetical conspiracy scenario, there is someone powerful enough to get the FBI not expose them - I don't see how they can't be powerful enough to scare a young woman from a poor background (how Epstein picked them)


Plausible in theory, but the reality says otherwise. Virginia Guiffre doesn't seem particularly intimidated: she's all over the news, and has taken Prince Andrew to court. I am not aware that she has spoken of any threats or intimidation against her, nor of this coming from any of the other victims who have already come forward. This should act as encouragement for any more victims out there to testify, especially if it's about someone who has thus far escaped justice.

What kind of question is that? "Cannot"?

Probably the same reason they "could not" come forward even if the FBI didn't have a list of their names.

And that reason is absolutely: "You'll need to ask each of them individually what their personal reasons for not coming forward is."

How could we possibly speculate in good faith about something like that?

I think you may have misunderstood my question. See my answer above. If there is someone as yet unnamed, who was a perpetrator of the sexual exploitation, then simply not releasing that name from the list, or if that name is not yet on the list, won't protect that person. This is because their victims are still out there, and can come forward to ensure their particular abuser is brought to trial. To stop that happening would mean intimidation, or possibly bribery, and I have not seen any evidence that this has been happening so far.
My point, in a nutshell, then, is that covering this up by not releasing names has a massive flaw, which is the presence of other victims. No need for speculation at all.
 
Well that didn't age well at all. But yes, the MAGA folks are definitely laughing at the pervs along with the urgency of the main stream media to sweep this under the rug ASAP.

The question is why is this release of information not gaining any traction in the main stream media? Could it be because there are too many Leftists on the list?

Or more likely, the list was missing the one name they wanted to see most.


The actual court documents contain numerous references to Donald Trump as being involved.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/epstein-documents-trump.html

And no. I din't accept the "recantment", given the numerous public statements by Trump about how he ab*sed women and how he liked little girls (including his own daughter). The man is a perv.
 
Evidence?

You know the names of people who have been redacted from that list? If so, post them. If you are in America and are afraid the FBI will come after you for posting their names., PM the list to me. I'm not subject to US Law, so I will post them on my Facebook page, and provide a link to my page.

https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-...inia-giuffre-3af500d4788ad45301be426628846d71

The batch currently being released contains around 250 records with sections that were blacked out or were sealed entirely because of concerns about the privacy rights of Epstein’s victims and other people whose names had come up during the legal battle but weren’t complicit in his crimes.
 
Just to be clear, I am NOT believing any conspiracy nonesense the FBI is intentionally hiding anything. You just asked what prevents a victim in a hypothetical scenario to come forward.

Plausible in theory, but the reality says otherwise. Virginia Guiffre doesn't seem particularly intimidated: she's all over the news, and has taken Prince Andrew to court.
The fact that we know that Epstein abused multiple women but we have names on records of very few of them already tells you others don't wish to come forward.

As noted, some of the blacklisted names are those of other victims who did not wish to have their names publicly stated.

Just because one woman was brave enough to put herself in that public position doesn't mean they all will.

I am not aware that she has spoken of any threats or intimidation against her, nor of this coming from any of the other victims who have already come forward.
Again, you need to follow the imaginary scenario. Let's say Mr X is an incredibly rich and powerful man. He abused at least 1 woman through Epstein and is using his power and influence to get the FBI to remove his name from their lists - and his name alone as he clearly didn't protect Epstein, Maxwell, Andrew or Dershowitz.

In this hypothetical scenario, Mr X doesn't need to silence all the victims. He just needs to silence the people who know about him. Namely Maxwell and the specific victims that he abused. He shouldn't care about Virgina nor have any reason to bother her. But the woman he abused would be another story.

This should act as encouragement for any more victims out there to testify, especially if it's about someone who has thus far escaped justice.
There's an expression in my country, to roughly translate - "Should is a name of fish". Basically meaning "should" doesn't mean much.

Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes. There's a reason for that.

I think you may have misunderstood my question. See my answer above. If there is someone as yet unnamed, who was a perpetrator of the sexual exploitation, then simply not releasing that name from the list, or if that name is not yet on the list, won't protect that person. This is because their victims are still out there, and can come forward to ensure their particular abuser is brought to trial.
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I agree that the victim is yet another piece that could knock over the entire domino line of the so called imaginary conspiracy of Mr X.

It does make the conspiracy even less likely - but only by a tiny fragment as silencing the victim is by far the easiest thing to do compared to silencing the whole FBI.

But either way, we are in total agreement here - this whole conspiracy is just that and there is 0 evidence that any Mr X has actually done it.
 
Yeah, I don't like pervs, and I definitely would not vote for one or support the business of anyone that's proven to have participated in underaged arrangements. I'm not alone in this opinion and the Media knows this. Hence I can comfortably accept if there was any connection with Trump and Epstein regarding underaged girls, the connection would have been exposed long ago. It's nice the Media has so much hate for Trump. I can usually count on them to dig up the smallest imperfection about him, while furiously covering for the Left.

That's a lie. You support Trump. Trump is a rapist. He has admitted perving on Ms. Teen USA contestants and he even got a lap dance from his own daughter. You, enthusiastically back a perv.
 
Luke breaks down the extra footage Fox didn't want you to see that was cut from Trump's latest interview.
Fox News CAUGHT REMOVING THIS VIDEO from Trump Interview! (Luke Beasley on YouTube, May 5, 2024)
 
Just reading the Epstein list, it is unbelievable.
He had a very close working relationship with the following musicians and was instrumental in their rise to fame!

Paul McCartney , George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Pete Best, John Lennon, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Billy J. Kramer, The Moody Blues, Cilla Black and Rory Storm.
 
Just reading the Epstein list, it is unbelievable.
He had a very close working relationship with the following musicians and was instrumental in their rise to fame!

Paul McCartney , George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Pete Best, John Lennon, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Billy J. Kramer, The Moody Blues, Cilla Black and Rory Storm.
Yes, indeed! It is unbelievable! Epstein was only ten years old in 1963 when Beatlemania started!
How exactly is he supposed to have been "instrumental in their rise to fame"?!
And he may have known an awful lot of underage girls at the time - e.g. his classmates - but ...

Oh, it was that Epstein!!!
 
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Well that didn't age well at all. But yes, the MAGA folks are definitely laughing at the pervs along with the urgency of the main stream media to sweep this under the rug ASAP.

The question is why is this release of information not gaining any traction in the main stream media? Could it be because there are too many Leftists on the list?

Or more likely, the list was missing the one name they wanted to see most.
Looks like you have your wish and it's gained momentum in the mainstream media. Why isn't your hero releasing the list?
 
Well that didn't age well at all. But yes, the MAGA folks are definitely laughing at the pervs along with the urgency of the main stream media to sweep this under the rug ASAP.

The question is why is this release of information not gaining any traction in the main stream media? Could it be because there are too many Leftists on the list?

Or more likely, the list was missing the one name they wanted to see most.
Speaking of things that didn't age well... 😬
 
Looks like you have your wish and it's gained momentum in the mainstream media.
About six podcasts in and I'm still at a loss as to why this went mainstream in recent weeks.

AFAIK the publicly facts are pretty much the same now as they were when Maxwell was found guilty.

ETA: Except for the birthday letter, but that dropped after we all started talking about this again.
 
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as i recall that was in the middle of when a bunch of maga influencers holding up binders of the “files” pr stunt and then bondi said she was going to release the list that was on her desk and that was a preview for them and we just needed trump to ok the release.

then a few weeks later in unison every major maga figure said none of it ever existed. then trump told everyone to stop talking about it and has been acting about as suspicious as possible about it since

so naturally people are curious
 

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