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Split Thread Epstein murdered

d4m10n said:
At the risk of being accused of a "fringe reset" what is the best evidence to convince a good faith agnostic skeptic that there are actually files which include a list of clients who went to Epstein & co. for nefarious purposes? (Not talking about money management, however shady.)

Not being Socratic here; I've assiduously avoided this topic until it became unavoidable in my podcast feeds.
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I was actually using "files" the same way Trump and Bondi used 'files' to try to avoid looking like the pathological liars they are; as in just a pile of documents in their possession that have to do with the investigation of Epstein. However, as far as an actual client list that Epstein had, the best source of info are the first hand testimony of those close to Maxwell and Epstein who say such a list existed. It also makes logical sense that they had a list of clients in some shape or form. The current online joke is about why Maxwell is in jail if no such list exists, since she had to sex traffic to 'someone' in order for her to be guilty of trafficking. She claims (through third party sources) that she has a list. I am not sure if something like a list was introduced at her trial since I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. Probably the best source of evidence is not so much a 'list' but first hand testimony of the victims. One of them recently killed herself. Others supposedly are being quiet for fear of being killed or having someone close to them killed.
 
i agree and it’s not even necessarily a list that epstein created and maintained himself. or perhaps it is, it’s not impossible he kept a list. i wouldn’t know, the people responsible for prosecuting these crimes haven’t done their jobs.

the point is who are the pedophiles he sex trafficked little girls to. figure it out and write them all down in a list, that’s the list we all want to see.
 
dirtywick said:
the point is who are the pedophiles he sex trafficked little girls to.
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How can you claim to know that anyone other than Epstein himself benefitted from the illegal trafficking?

I'm going through the civil suits listed here and it looks like he's the main client pretty much of the time.
 
d4m10n said:
At the risk of being accused of a "fringe reset" what is the best evidence to convince a good faith agnostic skeptic that there are actually files which include a list of clients who went to Epstein & co. for nefarious purposes? (Not talking about money management, however shady.)

Not being Socratic here; I've assiduously avoided this topic until it became unavoidable in my podcast feeds.
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Best evidence isn't a 'list'. But different witnesses have said there are hours of video tapes, lots of pictures, and the things we know about like the plane logs. It's convenient for Trump to distract people with the shiny list.

I do have this list from Bluesky. No clue if is valid, nor what the numbers mean. Could be Trump's burner phone numbers. Epstein is rumored to have multiple phone numbers for Trump.
 
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stanfr said:
... I am not sure if something like a list was introduced at her trial since I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. Probably the best source of evidence is not so much a 'list' but first hand testimony of the victims. One of them recently killed herself. Others supposedly are being quiet for fear of being killed or having someone close to them killed.
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I don't think so about trial evidence. It's possibly sealed but that may not be much of a barrier for some lawyers.

OTOH there is a picture of Virginia Giuffre with Prince Andrew, who killed herself much later. She was pretty young in the picture with Prince Andrew. She successfully sued the Prince and won. It's on the BBC News but the image link to the BBC doesn't work. If someone is curious enough I'm sure they can find it.

I should also include this link, it's eerie: It's a note from Giuffre saying she is not suicidal

I'm going to wait until some of this news ripens a bit more by professional investigators.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I should also include this link, it's eerie: It's a note from Giuffre saying she is not suicidal

I'm going to wait until some of this news ripens a bit more by professional investigators.
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I hate discussing suicide whenever high profile incidents like this come up. It does seem Giuffre's health was failing fast and she decided to end it. But she had primed followers to believe she was going to be silenced and made to look like a suicide.

If I recall Epstein told his lawyer he'd see him soon before killing himself. And Ghislaine Maxwell made it worse by saying she believes Epstein was murdered.

People already have a tough time believing seemingly normal people can commit suicide.
 
d4m10n said:
How can you claim to know that anyone other than Epstein himself benefitted from the illegal trafficking?

I'm going through the civil suits listed here and it looks like he's the main client pretty much of the time.
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www.usatoday.com

Inside Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion: 'Vast trove' of lewd photos, a life-size doll and other oddities

Federal agents who searched the East Side mansion of sex offender Jeffrey Epstein turned up a 'vast trove' of lewd photos of young-looking girls.
www.usatoday.com

i think it's a fair question. one of the most basic claims of what epstein was up to is that he rigged his properties up with cameras and other recording devices, invited rich and powerful people over, and blackmailed them with the recordings to his own benefit. i think i would start with explaining what federal agents meant when they claim that they found a bunch of recording devices all over the home and hundreds of photographs and recordings in a safe with labels of name + name at one of his properties. i suppose one of the names could have always been epstein, or two girls, or whether or not these names were compiled into a list format.

but imo we do know that he benefitted from personal relationships with powerful people, particularly his first inexplicable plea deal, and spent a lot of time travelling with them, and that he travelled the globe raping underage girls both on site and at his various properties, and that recorded and categorized himself and others doing so. who these others are is the speculation.

full disclosure here too: i'm not particularly invested in this at this point and really only renewed interest when it was brought up publicly and everyone starting acting really suspicious about it. meaning that i don't have a huge amount of knowledge on the topic. if someone has something to add or correct feel free to do so.
 
A missing minute of footage is bad enough, but Wired is reporting almost three minutes missing, and footage deliberately woven together from distinctly different tapes.

It's so hard not to break out a tin foil hat in the face of all this.

www.wired.com

The FBI's Jeffrey Epstein Prison Video Had Nearly 3 Minutes Cut Out

Metadata from the “raw” Epstein prison video shows approximately 2 minutes and 53 seconds were removed from one of two stitched-together clips. The cut starts right at the “missing minute.”
www.wired.com www.wired.com
 
dirtywick said:
we do know that he…recorded and categorized himself and others doing so
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Ok, this is the part that I don’t claim to know, but as I said earlier this is all pretty new to me.

What is the best and most credible source for this specific claim?

(Thanks for your patience @arthwollipot LOL)
 
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d4m10n said:
Ok, this is the part that I don’t claim to know, but as I said earlier this is all pretty new to me.

What is the best and most credible source for this specific claim?

(Thanks for your patience @arthwollipot LOL)
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the article i linked says the doj found photos and cds of underage girls with other people that aren’t him or the underage girl
 
Thermal said:
A missing minute of footage is bad enough, but Wired is reporting almost three minutes missing, and footage deliberately woven together from distinctly different tapes.

It's so hard not to break out a tin foil hat in the face of all this.

www.wired.com

The FBI's Jeffrey Epstein Prison Video Had Nearly 3 Minutes Cut Out

Metadata from the “raw” Epstein prison video shows approximately 2 minutes and 53 seconds were removed from one of two stitched-together clips. The cut starts right at the “missing minute.”
www.wired.com www.wired.com
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Remember who we are talking about, incompetence should always be our first port of call.
 
dirtywick said:
the article i linked says the doj found photos and cds of underage girls with other people that aren’t him or the underage girl
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I don't believe the USA Today article actually did say that. Can you please pull a quote?

Darat said:
couldn't prosecute any of the men these were procured for
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What makes you confident that it's really "men" instead of "man" here?
 
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d4m10n said:
I don't believe the USA Today article actually did say that. Can you please pull a quote?

What makes you confident that it's really "men" instead of "man" here?
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The memo said the search turned up not only evidence supporting its sex trafficking allegations against Esptein but also "hundreds – and perhaps thousands – of sexually suggestive photographs of fully – or partially – nude females."

While investigators were still reviewing the material, the memo said one of the girls, according to her attorney, "was underage at the time the relevant photographs were taken."

It noted that other photographs were found in a locked safe that included CDs with handwritten labels including the descriptions "“Young [Name] + [Name],” “Misc nudes 1,” and “Girl pics nude.”
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i interpret the +[Name] to be people other than the victim or epstein himself
 
d4m10n said:
I don't believe the USA Today article actually did say that. Can you please pull a quote?

What makes you confident that it's really "men" instead of "man" here?
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She procured prostitutes, plural, we know she procured at least one for Windsor, so even if it was just the two of them, Windsor and Epstein, it was men.
 
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