Split Thread Epstein murdered

[dirtywick]

Now you're back to relying on the "client list".

i don't know if there's a list or not, some of the most prolific liars on the planet have said it both exists and they're going to release it and now it doesn't so they can't.

i do know there was a child sex trafficking ring that seemingly nobody wants to investigate.

 

[Orphia Nay]

I'm all for investigating the information they've got. I just doubt that there's a smoking gun list of pedophiles.

 

[dirtywick]

I'm all for investigating the information they've got. I just doubt that there's a smoking gun list of pedophiles.

fair enough, i'm open to there being a smoking gun list of pedophiles. imo none of these people are particularly smart or good at concealing their crimes. they're just affluent and powerful enough to avoid any consequences.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I'm all for investigating the information they've got. I just doubt that there's a smoking gun list of pedophiles.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a whole raft of info about who his guests were and maybe which underage girls were there too on occasions, but nor would I be surprised if there's not enough detail to say any particular guest did any particular illegal thing or was even present when anything illegal was happening.

There might be enough for deep suspicions to attach to individuals but any accusations that wouldn't stand up solidly in court would just get the accuser sued for every penny.

 

[arthwollipot]

Pam Bondi has the list. It's on her phone and it's called "Contacts".

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I don't think that it's too much of a CT that the investigations into Epstein found significant contacts with the Mossad, and evidence of them helping Epstein with finances and legal cover, which might be the reason why the files are not released.
I might be wrong of course.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

"We have Epstein's address book, Trump isn't in it and we're releasing it now, all twenty six pages.. [sound of paper tearing] All twenty five pages.."

 

[Puppycow]

Coffezilla examines the video that the government released:

 

[Puppycow]

Worst coverup ever? After watching this I'm really starting to think something very fishy is going on.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

You're stuck with the usual problem that you require a conspiracy of people so incompetent that 'everyone can see what happened' yet so competent that there's no actual proof.

 

[dirtywick]

do you believe the government making an honest effort to try and solve the case?

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to be clear, it’s not some gotcha question. i’m not sure what to think. but if the trust in the prosecution’s duty to the truth is lost it makes it tough to point out a lack of evidence imo

 

[The Great Zaganza]

You're stuck with the usual problem that you require a conspiracy of people so incompetent that 'everyone can see what happened' yet so competent that there's no actual proof.

... or a judiciary unwilling to act

 

[Hercules56]

That missing 1 minute on the security tape is a CTists dream come true.

 

[dirtywick]

That missing 1 minute on the security tape is a CTists dream come true.

everything that happened this week was. stop asking questions, the sudden reversal on the list from top government officials that promised it was a list of names they were about to release, then they release a tape with a missing minute

to me it’s clear they’re not telling the truth. idk about what exactly, but this is not the behavior of professionals taking their jobs seriously. and their job is justice for a child sex trafficking ring, doesn’t get more serious than that.

 

[Puppycow]

You're stuck with the usual problem that you require a conspiracy of people so incompetent that 'everyone can see what happened' yet so competent that there's no actual proof.

Did you watch the video?
I'm considering what TGZ said about the Mossad having some sort of involvement. The conspiracy is not really the thing here, so much as the lack of transparency. You had admin officials on tv saying that names would be be released, but all the names are redacted in the documents.
It kind of makes sense to me that the Mossad would want to have kompromat on high ranking US politicians to make doubly or triply sure that they remain complaint even if the normal political pressures aren't enough.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

do you believe the government making an honest effort to try and solve the case?

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to be clear, it’s not some gotcha question. i’m not sure what to think. but if the trust in the prosecution’s duty to the truth is lost it makes it tough to point out a lack of evidence imo

It depends what you mean by the case, suicide for a man in Epstein's position is entirely plausible and I think his death was a convenient event that was made much more likely by incompetence and poor staff engagement with their duties, a potentially deliberate failure to make safeguarding provisions. With regard the investigation of Epstein's crimes, and more importantly the living people who also participated, no, I don't think an honest effort is being made to solve it, I strongly suspect this is due to the wealth and influence of the people involved but the incompetence of the current regime's appointment is certainly going to have also had an effect.

 

[catsmate]

I don't think that it's too much of a CT that the investigations into Epstein found significant contacts with the Mossad, and evidence of them helping Epstein with finances and legal cover, which might be the reason why the files are not released.
I might be wrong of course.

I do. Frankly, it's rather silly.

 

[Thermal]

It depends what you mean by the case, suicide for a man in Epstein's position is entirely plausible and I think his death was a convenient event that was made much more likely by incompetence and poor staff engagement with their duties, a potentially deliberate failure to make safeguarding provisions. With regard the investigation of Epstein's crimes, and more importantly the living people who also participated, no, I don't think an honest effort is being made to solve it, I strongly suspect this is due to the wealth and influence of the people involved but the incompetence of the current regime's appointment is certainly going to have also had an effect.

This. Influential people and their associates will get caught up in the Association Game, having their names attached to what they don't want to be attached to, so everyone just kind of... wants it all to go away. No benefit to them, possible name tainting (even if unwarranted, like Pres Clinton having been on the jet for other reasons of convenience).

It's not so much an active coverup, as a passive 'let it die'. IMO, anyway

 

[Axxman300]

It's not so much an active coverup, as a passive 'let it die'. IMO, anyway

Yes, but the problem is the people trying to make it go away are the exact same people who made publishing the list a campaign issue, and a few have been active on social media about this case for more than five years. And the current administration are collectively the worst liars in US Presidential history. Biden and his crew were skilled in rhetoric, which is an advanced form of lying that answers questions without answering questions with specifics. These clowns lie at a First Grade level at best.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

This. Influential people and their associates will get caught up in the Association Game, having their names attached to what they don't want to be attached to, so everyone just kind of... wants it all to go away. No benefit to them, possible name tainting (even if unwarranted, like Pres Clinton having been on the jet for other reasons of convenience).

It's not so much an active coverup, as a passive 'let it die'. IMO, anyway

The problem is that there will be innocent and guilty people in the 'let it die' camp, there are certainly people who know which are which and a competent justice department should at least try and sort the sheep from the goats.