Cuomo defeated in NYC Democratic Mayoral Primary

[The Great Zaganza]

Dems wanted to win the election by declaring war on Trump, and it didn't work.
Trump declaring war on a Democrat might do the trick

 

[Darat]

Brown people are not under a special moral obligation to prove that they are not one of those brown people.

What could help is let the brown people be owned by a responsible white person, then you could just check for an owner's brand to know if they were a good brown person or not?

ETA: Oops sorry that's a bit silly - I meant a responsible white man, a woman obviously couldn't cope with the paperwork.

 

[bruto]

I think the issue is being blurred by politics here in a way that is likely to rebound in the wrong direction. There may be plenty of reason to consider Momdani a lousy candidate and to call for someone else to win, and all sorts of other things. He could be an utter ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, certainly not the most utter ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ in politics today. He could be guilty of all sorts of bad ideas, bad causes, even bad affiliations, and he certainly would not be alone there either in a world where many in power have called for the invasion of foreign countries and the imprisonment and assassination of their political foes. What is crucial, I think, is that this is no reason to consider it reasonable to denaturalize him, as if citizenship is suddenly to become weapon of political dominance - some abstract idea of how American a person needs to be to stay an American. If the people running for that position, including his fiercest opponents, had any brains or balls or love of their country they would unite in condemning the idea of denaturalizing him as preposterous and truly unamerican.

We are seeing hints here that some believe Momdani's plight is partly his fault. It's entirely his fault if he loses the election owing to his beliefs, but the threat to his citizenship is entirely, emphatically, a separate issue.

I am not a voter in New York City, but if I were I would conspicuously and vociferously demand that any candidate for the office of Mayor disavow the call for denaturalization, and consider a refusal to do so an absolute and ineradicable disqualification from the office.

 

[Hercules56]

He condemned the violence, but didn't specifically mention Hamas. What's your point? I would ask you to give your reasoned basis why mentioning Hamas specifically must be the standard, but I know that isn't going to happen (feel free to do it anyways and prove me wrong).

This is just another example of the rolling standard of bigotry that feeds the "there's something not right about him," feeling that you've exhibited in a thread about, interestingly, another brown person. You very quickly imagine into existence these very narrow hoops that the stereotyped person must jump through to prove that they're not the nightmare that continuously wakes you with a startle, and even if they stuck that landing, the goalposts would move just as quickly as they appeared.

I would once again remind you that you have an opportunity to look inside and try to figure out why you feel this way, and perhaps figure out why this mood brought you to the point where you really thought there was a reasoned case for linking a boycott to terrorism. But I think I know it will never happen.

In the past he has praised people who funded Hamas.

Now that he wants to be mayor of a major city, I think it's time he specifically condemns all violence in the name of Palestine. He would not have to do this if it wasn't for his very long history of pro Palestine support, anti-israel rhetoric and activity.

He kind of made this bed so now he has to deal with it.

Of course he doesn't have to but then his opponents can honestly argue that Mamdani feels comfortable voicing support for people who fund Hamas, that doesn't feel comfortable condemning violence done by Hamas and similar groups.

And if he can't at the very least condemn calls for violence against Israelis and Jews done outside of Israel than what does it say about him??

 

[Andy_Ross]

What could help is let the brown people be owned by a responsible white person, then you could just check for an owner's brand to know if they were a good brown person or not?

ETA: Oops sorry that's a bit silly - I meant a responsible white man, a woman obviously couldn't cope with the paperwork.

On the ownership thing.

Trump: "We have a lot of cases where ICE will go into a farm. These are guys working there for 10-15 years, no problem. The farmers know them. It's called farmer responsibility, or owner responsibility, They will be responsible for these people. They know these people."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940073822813815285

 

[Hercules56]

On the ownership thing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940073822813815285

What does this have to do with the NY Democratic primary??

 

[bruto]

What does this have to do with the NY Democratic primary??

Unfortunately far too much. That the subject of deportation has even the slightest relevance here is a brake pedal to the floor, "Oh ◊◊◊◊" moment in the progress of democracy.

 

[EHocking]

On the ownership thing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940073822813815285

ICE and Trump could help out those farmers whose employees have been grabbed and are waiting on deportation.
They could hold “employment auctions” whereby “responsible owners” could bid to “employ” those captured illegal immigrants to come and work on their plantations , er, farms.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

What does this have to do with the NY Democratic primary??

Far more than someones view on an international matter they will have exactly zero influence over should they become mayor.

You may have missed this, but your president has openly admitted he plays with the idea of having one of the candidates stripped of his rights and deported because he disagrees with that candidate. Unless you agree with the fact that Trump can tell you who to vote for, that would worry me a lot were I living in the US.

 

[grunion]

Shun him! Shun!

 

[dann]

From the comic:

"I just don't understand how this happened! The New York Times editorialized in support of Cuomo! James Carville endorsed him!"

Zohran’s right! Clinton Dem anoints liberal star for crushing ‘loser’ Cuomo (MSNBC on YouTube, July 3, 2025 - 6:06 min.)
Political strategist James Carville oins MSNBC’s Ari Melber to discuss Zohran Mamdani’s win in the NYC mayoral primary, and what it could mean for
the future of the Democratic Party.

It sounds as if James Carville has given up on Cuomo. He considers changing the strategy, but not the politics.

The two highlighted sentences are dead giveaways of his way of thinking:

Ari Melber (1:28 -->): To make sure I'm hearing you right: You think Zohran was right to hammer affordability?

James Carville: I absolutely do, and yes, he absolutely understood what it was about. And Andrew [Cuomo] just never addressed that. And it was, you know, the big thing this guy does, he sees people. People say, you know, 'I don't know if I agree with that guy, but he sees me. He knows what it's like to get up at 4 o'clock in the morning to go to the transit station, to get on the transit. How much a quarter increase in the transit fare is going to hurt me. He knows what it's like to have to get off the train, to walk six hours to work, to work nine hours a day, to come back to your kids. He knows that.'
And let me tell you: A lot of politics is just telling people that they exist: 'I see you and your problem.' 'Maybe the solution is impractical, but at least he sees us.'

So expect Democratic candidates from now on to talk about how much they understand the problems of ordinary people, how much they see them, while also telling them that any solution that restricts the power of the oligarchs and increases their taxes is impractical.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Trump: "We have a lot of cases where ICE will go into a farm. These are guys working there for 10-15 years, no problem...

Yet again - another admission that ICE are out of control, but once again Trump notes the problem then does ◊◊◊◊ all about it.

 

[Brainster]

Getting back to Mamdani, the NY Times breaks the news that in his college application to Columbia (which turned him down) he listed his ethnicity/racial background as Black or African-American and Asian. Given that he was born in Uganda of southeast Asian parents and lives in the United States, his response seems reasonable. Apparently his opponents are claiming that "Black or African-American" means Black only, the "or African-American" is just listing another term for Black, and that by checking that box he was trying to take advantages of preferences that were not intended for him. Seems a bit nit-picky to me, but Cuomo and Adams both pounced on the news to score political points, so it's out there.

 

[Hercules56]

Getting back to Mamdani, the NY Times breaks the news that in his college application to Columbia (which turned him down) he listed his ethnicity/racial background as Black or African-American and Asian. Given that he was born in Uganda of southeast Asian parents and lives in the United States, his response seems reasonable. Apparently his opponents are claiming that "Black or African-American" means Black only, the "or African-American" is just listing another term for Black, and that by checking that box he was trying to take advantages of preferences that were not intended for him. Seems a bit nit-picky to me, but Cuomo and Adams both pounced on the news to score political points, so it's out there.

He has no black African ancestry. Why would he claim otherwise? Both his parents are of Indian decent.

 

[ahhell]

This is one of side effects of race based affirmative action programs, they tend to disproportionately benefit the children of African or Afro-Caribbean immigrants.

This is one of those "controversies" that only his opponents will care about. They aren't wrong in that it means he was probably trying to take advantage of programs not meant for folks like him, on the other hand, why wouldn't he. Meh.

 

[Andy_Ross]

He has no black African ancestry. Why would he claim otherwise? Both his parents are of Indian decent.

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He listed his ethnicity/racial background as Black or African-American and Asian.

He was born in Africa to Asian parents.

Uganda expelled all the Asians, they weren't allowed to take any property or money with them. They were citizens that had lived there for generations, they were brought in by the British to work in government administration when it was a Colony.
A lot of them came to the UK.

Ugandan Asians were a big thing at the time.

 

[Andy_Ross]

This is one of side effects of race based affirmative action programs, they tend to disproportionately benefit the children of African or Afro-Caribbean immigrants.

This is one of those "controversies" that only his opponents will care about. They aren't wrong in that it means he was probably trying to take advantage of programs not meant for folks like him, on the other hand, why wouldn't he. Meh.

"folks like him"

Asian descent from Uganda. How does that not qualify?

 

[ahhell]

"folks like him"

Asian descent from Uganda. How does that not qualify?

If its a program meant to benefit African Americans? You don't see how that wouldn't likely be meant for someone who's ancestors were from Uganda and of Asian descent?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Shock news: Mamdani Last In High School Class


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[Andy_Ross]

If its a program meant to benefit African Americans? You don't see how that wouldn't likely be meant for someone who's ancestors were from Uganda and of Asian descent?

Why do you think it's just to benefit some and not others?