Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Hercules56 said:
At least we can ALL agree that chix with dix do NOT belong in womens' sporting events.

The whole reason why we have male female sporting events is because men have a physical advantage, and that includes chix with dix.

So it is unfair to let them compete with women. Let them compete with their fellow biological males.
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No, we can't all agree on this because its nonsense and stupid. Having a penis does not give you any advantage in sports and is a complete red herring. Transwomen who are taking testosterone blockers generally have reduced advantages and are very much in-line with ciswomen. Neither scientific study or practical experience has shown any advantage. Granted, this is very limited because trans people and trans athletes are so incredibly rare to begin with.

I'm sure ONE DAY a transwoman will win a medal in the Olympics, but at the moment they've been competing for around two decades and no transwoman has won a single medal. Countries that have opened up sports to transwoman haven't had any problems with it.

The main effect of the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ trying to keep transwomen out of sports has been enormous amounts of harassment against cisgender girls and women, including the creepy AF anti-trans people demanding that children be subjected to genital inspections to be able to play in sports. Oh, and the actual harm to women's sports coming from cisgendered athletes being paid to quit sports to become professional transphobes.
 
Cat Not Included said:
No, we can't all agree on this because its nonsense and stupid. Having a penis does not give you any advantage in sports and is a complete red herring. Transwomen who are taking testosterone blockers generally have reduced advantages and are very much in-line with ciswomen. Neither scientific study or practical experience has shown any advantage....
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Example after example of men being mediocre when competing against other guys, than being light years ahead of other girls when they go trans.

But keep your head in the sand.

Men have a definite physical advantage over women in sports. Its why they compete separately. Men are stronger, faster, have more endurance. Its millions of years of evolution.

So yeah, in a way, if you got a dick, you're a better athlete.
 
Hercules56 said:
So yeah, in a way, if you got a dick, you're a better athlete.
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But not because you have a dick, of course.

Why are men and women sports segregated in the first place? Think about it. It's to assure fair competition, of course. Men who identify as women are still men and therefore have no business in women's sports even if they have their dick cut off.

It's astonishing to me this is even an issue at all. Particularly here. The trans-advocates have absolutely no argument at all and you'd have to unhinged or extremely ignorant of reality to buy into their worldview.
 
Boys are stronger than girls at any age; and this increases a lot after puberty hits.

Sex Differences in Upper- and Lower-Limb Muscle Strength in Children and Adolescents: A Meta-Analysis

However, this is only true if the gender soul matches the physical body. If there is a mismatch between the gender soul and the physical body, a person's strength will be limited by the stereotypical abilities of their gender soul. I learned this in my Decolonizing Heteronormative Praxis and Dance course at university.
 
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Trausti said:
Boys are stronger than girls at any age; and this increases a lot after puberty hits.

Sex Differences in Upper- and Lower-Limb Muscle Strength in Children and Adolescents: A Meta-Analysis

However, this is only true if the gender soul matches the physical body. If there is a mismatch between the gender soul and the physical body, a person's strength will be limited by the stereotypical abilities of their gender soul. I learned this in my Decolonizing Heteronormative Praxis and Dance course at university.
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You must be joking.
 
Rolfe said:
I am talking about keeping autogynaephilia in the closet, where it belongs. Oh yes it's so lovely to see Luna being her true self and swanning around looking like Les Dawson on a bad hair day, until we start to realise what is driving this compulsion.
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And you think that comparisons with homophobia are completely unfounded.

Here's the thing, whereas with sex-segregation you can fairly easily make enforcable laws around this, what you are doing is basically calling for social opprobrium to be levelled at people who don't conform to the gender stereotypes which have themselves been exploited by transgender ideologues.
 
Cat Not Included said:
Transwomen who are taking testosterone blockers generally have reduced advantages and are very much in-line with ciswomen.
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Which studies are you looking at? The ones I saw show significant reductions but not enough to make the performance curve statistically close to females.
 
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Cat Not Included said:
No, we can't all agree on this because its nonsense and stupid. Having a penis does not give you any advantage in sports and is a complete red herring. Transwomen who are taking testosterone blockers generally have reduced advantages and are very much in-line with ciswomen. Neither scientific study or practical experience has shown any advantage. Granted, this is very limited because trans people and trans athletes are so incredibly rare to begin with.

I'm sure ONE DAY a transwoman will win a medal in the Olympics, but at the moment they've been competing for around two decades and no transwoman has won a single medal. Countries that have opened up sports to transwoman haven't had any problems with it.

The main effect of the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ trying to keep transwomen out of sports has been enormous amounts of harassment against cisgender girls and women, including the creepy AF anti-trans people demanding that children be subjected to genital inspections to be able to play in sports. Oh, and the actual harm to women's sports coming from cisgendered athletes being paid to quit sports to become professional transphobes.
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This post is wrong in every aspect.
 
Cat Not Included said:
Transwomen who are taking testosterone blockers generally have reduced advantages and are very much in-line with ciswomen.
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1. They have reduced advantages compared to other biological males but are still significantly advantaged over women. There is amble evidence that shows this. Or you could just look at the men and women you know and compare their height, just one of the physical attributes that isn't changed by hormone blockers.

2. The last figure I saw for the percentage of trans identifying males who take testosterone blockers was 20%. The other 80% are also demanding the right to compete in female sports leagues.

Seriously, just compare female record times with male record times in any athletic event. A transwoman recently won the female gold medal of a long distance bike race with a time which, had they competed as their biological sex, would have placed them 108th. Does that really seem fair to you?
 
Pixel42 said:
1. They have reduced advantages compared to other biological males but are still significantly advantaged over women. There is amble evidence that shows this. Or you could just look at the men and women you know and compare their height, just one of the physical attributes that isn't changed by hormone blockers.

2. The last figure I saw for the percentage of trans identifying males who take testosterone blockers was 20%. The other 80% are also demanding the right to compete in female sports leagues.

Seriously, just compare female record times with male record times in any athletic event. A transwoman recently won the female gold medal of a long distance bike race with a time which, had they competed as their biological sex, would have placed them 108th. Does that really seem fair to you?
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And, of course, two gold medals were awarded at the last Olympic Games to two men who competed in women’s boxing.
 
Cat Not Included said:
No, we can't all agree on this because its nonsense and stupid. Having a penis does not give you any advantage in sports and is a complete red herring. Transwomen who are taking testosterone blockers generally have reduced advantages and are very much in-line with ciswomen. Neither scientific study or practical experience has shown any advantage. Granted, this is very limited because trans people and trans athletes are so incredibly rare to begin with.
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Nope, this is false. It is simply not true scientifically or biologically - not in any respect, no matter how you spin it.


At an elite international level, professional sports have a well-established fairness-based binary sex classification which is challenged by male-bodied athletes with female gender identity, notably male-to-female transgender and XY Disorders of Sex Development (DSD) individuals seeking to compete in female events. ​
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For sports where success depends on power and/or endurance, physical advantages stemming from male puberty, which produces men’s circulating testosterone concentrations 20–30 times those of children or women at any age, leading to larger and stronger muscles, bones, cardiorespiratory functions and blood hemoglobin. Yet complete suppression of endogenous testosterone after male puberty leaves a legacy of reduced but not eliminated physical advantages. Hence a protected female category in power sports is essential to allow women a fair and safe chance at the fame and fortune derived from success. For community, recreational and youth sports, or those without male physical advantages invoking safety or fairness issues, inclusivity may prevail.​

Going through male puberty gives you physical advantages that cannot be overcome. Its is a bell that cannot be unrung. This is irrefutable, undeniable and observable scientific reality.

Cat Not Included said:
I'm sure ONE DAY a transwoman will win a medal in the Olympics, but at the moment they've been competing for around two decades and no transwoman has won a single medal.
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Not true. What you call a "transwoman" is in reality transgender self-indentified male, i.e. a male who claims to be, or identifies as a woman. - transwomen are not women, they are bioliogical males.

Males identifying as females HAVE won medals at the Olympics.

Imanee Khalief (a male) won the gold medal in women's boxing in Paris 2024
...and its not just Olympic games either

abc3340.com

UN study reveals transgender athletes have won nearly 900 medals in women's competitions

The wins occurred in over 400 competitions across 29 sports, study authors said.
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But whether or not they win medals is irrelevant. What IS relevent is that EVERY trans-identifying male participating in women's sports denies a real woman a chance for selection and promotion in their chosen sport.

Cat Not Included said:
Countries that have opened up sports to transwoman haven't had any problems with it.
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And many are pulling back on that, so too are many sports' world governing bodies.

Cycling
Soccer Football
Netball
Rugby Union
Rugby League
Athletics
Swimming
Cricket
Rowing
Tennis
Golf

Cat Not Included said:
The main effect of the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ trying to keep transwomen out of sports has been enormous amounts of harassment against cisgender girls and women
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You want to talk about harrassment of ciswomen, go speak to the women involved in US university sports who have had to put up with fully intact males waving their salami around in the women's changing rooms, and how they were told they MUST accept this, and that their positions on teams would be in jeopardy if they dared to complain, and that if they went public with their dissent, their scholarships would be terminated.
 
Cat Not Included said:
No, we can't all agree on this because its nonsense and stupid.
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Welcome to the thread.

You're wrong on this and it will be explained to you why in great detail. Feel free to come up with novel arguments, but remember the "15" in the thread title. Sports is an area where there is a lot of evidence, and I believe that the only sport where it is agreed that there is no sex based advantage is horse show-jumping.

the creepy AF anti-trans people demanding that children be subjected to genital inspections to be able to play in sports
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Unfortunately this displays your ignorance - it is a one-time cheek swab to determine sex.
 
Aber said:
Welcome to the thread.

You're wrong on this and it will be explained to you why in great detail. Feel free to come up with novel arguments, but remember the "15" in the thread title. Sports is an area where there is a lot of evidence, and I believe that the only sport where it is agreed that there is no sex based advantage is horse show-jumping.

Unfortunately this displays your ignorance - it is a one-time cheek swab to determine sex.
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Well, pretty much all equestrian sport actually, so as well as Show-Jumping

Horse Racing
Harness Racing
Eventing
Dressage
Show-Hunting
Polo
Polocrosse
Horseball
Combined Training
Endurance
Trail Riding
Reining
Barrel Racing
Carriage Driving
Cutting

The only equestrian sports in which males might have an advantage (because of the purely physical aspects) are...

Ride & Tie
Rodeo (Bronco riding)
Vaulting
 
smartcooky said:
Well, pretty much all equestrian sport actually, so as well as Show-Jumping

Horse Racing
Harness Racing
Eventing
Dressage
Show-Hunting
Polo
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Just had a quick look at Polo; it seems highest ever ranked woman reached a 5 handicap (men go up to 10). There may be arguments about access and rewards, but I don't think you can generalise about equestrian sports (although I admit I don't have the detailed knowledge).
 
Aber said:
Just had a quick look at Polo; it seems highest ever ranked woman reached a 5 handicap (men go up to 10). There may be arguments about access and rewards, but I don't think you can generalise about equestrian sports (although I admit I don't have the detailed knowledge).
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Well Polo is a team sport, and handicaps simply facilitate and evening of competition between teams with players of varying skills, much like the Golf handicapping system.

I can tell you about the equestrian sports I have been involved in...

Endurance
Eventing (which involves, Dressage, Cross Country Jumping and Show-Jumping)
Combined Training (Eventing without the Cross Country Phase)
Horse Racing (as a part-owner)
Show Hunting
Trail Riding

In every case, the sports are "open" that is men and women competing against each other without any allowance for the biological sex of either the human or the horse. The only one of those that has a handicapping system is Horse Racing, where every horse carrying a rider who is lighter than the heaviest rider in the race (known as the "top-weight") carries additional weights to make up the difference so that every horse is carrying the same weight. Some punters will argue that the heaviest rider is at an advantage because all of the weight his horse carries is "live" weight, whereas all the other riders are carrying some level of dead weight. This gives rise to the expression "When in doubt, back the top weight"
 
The handicapping system in Britain allows fillies and mares slightly less weight than colts and geldings. The difference gets less with age. Records show that males do have a slight edge on average but it's not enough to require single-sex races. Showjumping and eventing and so on make no distinction. I think it's down to horses being a prey animal. The females need to be bloody fast too, they can't lag behind. Even the foals have to be fast within an hour or two of birth. Whereas we're a predator and can afford the luxury of heaping the heavy-duty hunting and fighting on to the males.
 
Rolfe said:
The handicapping system in Britain allows fillies and mares slightly less weight than colts and geldings. The difference gets less with age. Records show that males do have a slight edge on average but it's not enough to require single-sex races. Showjumping and eventing and so on make no distinction. I think it's down to horses being a prey animal. The females need to be bloody fast too, they can't lag behind. Even the foals have to be fast within an hour or two of birth. Whereas we're a predator and can afford the luxury of heaping the heavy-duty hunting and fighting on to the males.
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I think smartcooky is referring to the sex of the rider, not the horse.

In any case, I don’t think the made-up-on-the-spot theory works to explain why male and female horses both race.

After all, how would it explain why male and female dogs are both used in dog-racing?
 
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