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Thousands Evacuate as Wildfires Rage in the Canadian Prairies (NYT, May 29, 2025)
The premiers of Manitoba and Saskatchewan declared states of emergency in each province as out-of-control fires threatened communities.
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Canada calls for international aid as two provinces declare state of emergency over wildfires (CTV News on YouTube, May 30, 2025 - 1:51 min.)
Saskatchewan has joined Manitoba in declaring a state of emergency following a dangerous and sudden flare-up of wildfires. Abigail Bimman has more.
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På et år fik halvdelen af verdens befolkning 30 ekstra dage med livsfarligt vejrfænomen (DR.dk, May 30, 2025)
Omtrent fire milliarder mennesker fik over det seneste år mindst en ekstra måneds hedebølge oven i det normale.
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In one year, half of the world's population got 30 extra days of fatal weather phenomenon
Last year, about four billion people got at least one extra month of heat wave in addition to what's usual

Climate Change and the Escalation of Global Extreme Heat (Climate Central, May 29, 2025)
 
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Stout said:
CoPs keep happening, emissions keep going up.
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Well, of course it's not that simple. In some countries they are, and in others they are not. The overall trend is for cleaner energy and reduced emissions. However, I've realised that the cynics on this thread will never change their minds when given solid evidence, so I won't bother linking to any data.
 
dann said:
What's up, Canada?!
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It's all those super lefty ultra liberal Canadians shoving their fat little faces into the fossil fuel trough only to come up for air, do a little whining about climate change then go back for seconds.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Well, of course it's not that simple. In some countries they are, and in others they are not. The overall trend is for cleaner energy and reduced emissions. However, I've realised that the cynics on this thread will never change their minds when given solid evidence, so I won't bother linking to any data.
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It is that simple, really. You can fap to as much data as you want but it doesn't change the fact that the current approach is a total, utter, miserable failure.
 
Stout said:
It is that simple, really. You can fap to as much data as you want but it doesn't change the fact that the current approach is a total, utter, miserable failure.
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So the facts lie? Or you have 'alternative facts'? Or you just reject the facts because they contradict your cynical apathy?
I'd ask you to support your claim about this 'failure', but that would mean using data, an approach you reject. As I said, people like you will never change their minds as a result of evidence.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Again, in some countries and not others. The UK's greenhouse gas emissions, for example, are lower than they were in the 90s.
Oh, wait. Am I "fapping about data" again? :xrolleyes
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The only data point that matters is the one that shows global emissions increasing.

So what the UK's emissions went down a little. It's nowhere enough, and nowhere near fast enough to hit these loudly proclaimed climate targets. But, hey, if thinking happy thoughts and sending positive vibes gets it done for you them maybe we should try joining hands and try to chant the carbon away.

Speaking of loud proclamations. How are those reparation payments to developing nations coming along? You know, the ones that CoP 29 shorted the developing world's requests on. Hint, that data is the centerfold in this month's issue of Climatehouse magazine.

Even climate activists have given up, but I'm sure they'll get back to it as soon as this Palestine thing is sorted out.
 
You mean suing. Climate activists love to sue. They try to sue everybody, all the time.

Remember the Swiss Grannies and the ECHR?
 
Stout said:
The only data point that matters is the one that shows global emissions increasing.
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So you want to talk about data now? OK, that's progress, at least.
Stout said:
So what the UK's emissions went down a little. It's nowhere enough, and nowhere near fast enough to hit these loudly proclaimed climate targets.
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That was one example. I could give more, but I'm still unsure whether you're interested in facts or just in reinforcing your feelsies.
I will simply point out that the perfect is the enemy of the good.
Stout said:
But, hey, if thinking happy thoughts and sending positive vibes gets it done for you them maybe we should try joining hands and try to chant the carbon away.
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Ludicrous strawman.
Stout said:
Speaking of loud proclamations. How are those reparation payments to developing nations coming along? You know, the ones that CoP 29 shorted the developing world's requests on. Hint, that data is the centerfold in this month's issue of Climatehouse magazine.
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No idea. Why don't you tell us?
Oh, and 'data'? Fapping again, Stout?
Stout said:
Even climate activists have given up, but I'm sure they'll get back to it as soon as this Palestine thing is sorted out.
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Not everything is about Greta Thunberg, you know- and there's a dedicated thread for her, if you want to discuss that particular activist.
 
Well, when you have thousands of scientists writing thousands of reports and passing them on to thousands of politicians and activists all telling us we need to do something about this climate emergency and they still can't fix it then it's time to listen to the wisdom of Mr. Stout.

Mr. Stout says in a Yoda type voice. If you care about carbon emissions and saving the planet, then quit burning fossil fuels. Yes, you may have to forgo that trip to Bali, of that trip to anywhere you can't ride a bicycle to. Maybe you'll have to give up that mass consumer lifestyle but one thing's for certain, this wagging your lips then patting yourselves on the back for "raising awareness" sure as hell ain't working.

Ever wonder why the carbon emissions for these CoPs are a closely guarded secret?
 
Stout said:
Well, when you have thousands of scientists writing thousands of reports and passing them on to thousands of politicians and activists all telling us we need to do something about this climate emergency and they still can't fix it then it's time to listen to the wisdom of Mr. Stout.

Mr. Stout says in a Yoda type voice. If you care about carbon emissions and saving the planet, then quit burning fossil fuels. Yes, you may have to forgo that trip to Bali, of that trip to anywhere you can't ride a bicycle to. Maybe you'll have to give up that mass consumer lifestyle but one thing's for certain, this wagging your lips then patting yourselves on the back for "raising awareness" sure as hell ain't working.

Ever wonder why the carbon emissions for these CoPs are a closely guarded secret?
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Well, now I'm confused. You appear to be saying that we should, as individuals, take steps to reduce our contributions to global warming by changing our lifestyles. I have been assured, most vigorously, by arthwollipot, that our individual actions won't make any difference at all.
What's a yak to do? Who should I believe?
As an aside, I am awaiting the furious reaction to the phrase 'saving the planet' that I received when I used it.
 
Looking at the claim that the carbon emissions for the CoPs are a 'closely guared secret', a few seconds on google gave me this:
The scale of these events, and the number of participants, has previously been associated with large emissions of greenhouse gases (GHGs). To illustrate, COP15 in Copenhagen emitted 26,274.41 tons of CO2 equivalent (tCO2e); COP17 in Durban registered 25,048.15 tCO2e; and COP24 in Katowice resulted in a total of 59,020 tCO2e
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@Stout: What gave you the impression that this was being kept secret, and what steps did you take to check this belief?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Well, now I'm confused. You appear to be saying that we should, as individuals, take steps to reduce our contributions to global warming by changing our lifestyles. I have been assured, most vigorously, by arthwollipot, that our individual actions won't make any difference at all.
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That doesn't mean you shouldn't do them. The only way they can possibly make a difference is if everybody does them. No single raindrop is responsible for the flood.
 
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