I'd still like to see a link to those FBI files, granted I won't so you are probably right.
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Thermal
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He said they are in the archives. Somewhere. Close enough for a direct citation?
I actually think it's at least 50/50 that the docs he showed were someone's scribbled notes, obviously preliminary and rife with errors that were corrected later. It just doesn’t mean anything.
When testifying in construction litigation, I was advised to keep all my notes on the matter, as there were occasions when my personal original notes could be legitimately required to be submitted as evidence and examined (never happened to me, but a lawyer I was working with said he had seen it happen). Any initial errors could be held up as evidence that I was deliberately misrepresenting my own initial findings. This may be the same kind of thing; the writer was required to keep everything, even if it was early information that was getting bungled.
Eta: like, the FBI interviewer copied down that the interviewed subject said he got the voice-mail "around 6AM". The subject was obviously very much mistaken, reconstructing things as best he could (he was asleep at the time), but the FBI guy writes down what he was told by the subject, as was his literal responsibility.
OP thinks this is a silver bullet. Methinks it is a little silver anchovy.
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JayUtah
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Yes. We keep lab notebooks in a specific format (Ampad #22-157) which are then notarized and kept in the custody of the company librarian. Contemporaneous notes kept by anyone have legal significance for all kinds of different purposes. Similarly, when you do work as an expert witness, everything you do for that from the moment you start to the moment you testify is discoverable. Opposing counsel will sometimes ask for your notes to see if they can challenge you on foundation under Rule 702 that requires you to demonstrate "principles and methods." There are all kinds of reasons why initial sketchy notes might be retained.
Gee, if there were only some way to examine this information in context so that we can judge its import...
Thermal
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It is not.
Your personal work has been shown to be badly wrong. For instance, you have not responded to criticism about your "ear" pics, one with a dark background and one with a bright one. Both show halos, although you report one was unaltered.
You need to address this and other criticisms before trying to change the subject. There are multiple issues you have offered to come up with a carefully worded reply to, which you seem to have "forgotten" to actually do.
That doesn’t actually mean anything in the English language.
Seriously man? You really want to do composition criticisms? Your posts read like a cat walked across a speak and spell and you're going to go ape ◊◊◊◊ over my use of "literally"?
Thermal
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This almost happened to me once at a bench trial (way off topic but it was fun). My report was headed "DHvDB", and I hadn't corrected it on one version. The adversary was kind of fishing with me and asked what it signified. I was as evasive as I could be within decorum, saying it was my early reference for the matter, but the attorney insinuated that I may have mixed up files, as the parties initials were not DH and DB. The judge instructed me to answer the question. I had to say before his honor that "It stands for dickhead versus deadbeat, but let me explain...", then improvised a dissertation about how "dickhead" was my personal shorthand for an aggressive type A personality and so on. When asked about "Deadbeat", I said my findings spoke to that in detail. Low rent constriction litigation in Jersey can be a good time, and the judge had a sense of humor about it.
Words to defend photos. Is that like ears to defend pictures.
I agree that listening to explanations of visuals and reading written descriptions of photos is very important. I also believe it should be applied on both sides. I believe it should be paired with the opposite of those applications. eyes for visuals and ears for worss shiuld also
Also. Your condemnation of my posting style is your opinion and I respect that. I also disagree with your style and application. If you would like a different approach please address me directly just so i do not infer what your n⁸ĺĺl
Lets try. Thats sounds like fun.
While researching the cancellations i found this persons write up.
Still working on it. I started a thread because someone mentioned it. I was going to come back and add the links and different subjects.
Ill just keep it here.
turingtest
Mistral, mistral wind...
Before discussing the cancellations, don't you think it would be a good idea to show a reason why they should be discussed? AFAICT, all you've done with everything you've put forward here is pure CT-style anomaly-hunting, saying "oh, this is unusual, and that is unusual," without first laying any foundation for thinking these things are, in proper context, unusual at all. So, with the cancellations, can you show that there were, for that time period, an unexpected number of them? Can you show that there is any connection between a conspiracy and the specific people who cancelled? Those would be good places to start- without them, you're not just putting the cart before the horse, you're loading the cart with junk and wishing for a horse to pull treasure.
While researching the cancellations i found this persons write up.
Still working on it. I started a thread because someone mentioned it. I was going to come back and add the links and different subjects.
Ill just keep it here.
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At least we finally have information that suggests there were cancellations, apparently its not so easy to actually find the documents in a government archive but at least we finally have something that isn't just a screen capture. But, I still have questions, this doesn't quite look like the screen captures we saw earlier, did they come from somewhere else?
And yes, we still have to establish the base line for typical cancellations on morning flights. But at least we finally have something other than AI generated images.
And yes, we still have to establish the base line for typical cancellations on morning flights. But at least we finally have something other than AI generated images.
Thermal
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Anyone with some spare time should read that, if you want a stellar example of anomaly hunting. The author appears to think air travel was like it is today, with TSA, clearances and all the stuff we've gotten accustomed to. Yeah, no, most of us remember how easy it was to get on and off planes and slap dash record keeping. A bunch of the fliers were indicated as "no name" and were using other people's passes. Yes, kiddies, that's really what it used to be like.
While researching the cancellations i found this persons write up.
Still working on it. I started a thread because someone mentioned it. I was going to come back and add the links and different subjects.
Ill just keep it here.
The author (some rando with a new substack account) finds it weird that one of the flight 77 passengers cancelled that flight twice, months in advance. I guess the author doesn't understand that cross country plans can be thwarted by personal, family, and work scheduling conflicts. Repeatedly, even. Like if you're going to visit the grandkids but stuff keeps popping up to change the visit date.
Eta: another thing the apparently dimwitted author doesn't seem to understand: why people cancelled their reservations last minute, or as she notes, one who cancelled a minute after boarding closed. Back then, you could sometimes get a refund (or partial refund) if you cancelled within a certain window, giving the airline a chance to sell your seat to whoever wanted one at a last minute discount (fairly common back then). And these were early morning flights; a lot of people (like Seth McFarlane) simply overslept and made the call to get their refund as soon as they realized they couldn't make it, some too late, like the one minute late guy
Eta2: I remember a little hustle a buddy of mine used to do: you make a reservation, then cancel it within the refund window, and just show up at the gate to score the discounted ticket instead of the full price one you paid for (and you could be confident there was s seat because you had reserved it). He used to go to Florida like that all the time. You just couldn't do it during certain high demand times (like during a school break) because it was likely your spot would get gobbled up faster than you could recover it
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theprestige
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Well I certainly have been shown cause for concern.
junkshop
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I like anchovies. They are delicious.
I do not like the OP's arguments, such as they are. They are rancid and old.
And demonstrably wrong.
Guybrush Threepwood
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What! Is that true? Could we have been saved from Family Guy, all the spinoffs, Ted and The Orville, if only he'd woken up earlier?
Axxman300
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Cancellations would be weird if history wasn't full of stories of people who changed plans and avoided dying in a plane crash, bus crash, bridge collapse, and the Titanic. My friend's mother worked in WTC-1, she was/is a huge NY Giants fan, and stayed up late to watch them play on Monday Night Football making her miss her train. She was an hour late to work, none of her co-workers survived. Does the FBI need to investigate her? No.
I work in the travel industry. Plans change, flights are cancelled, hurricanes are a thing, people find better prices for the same flight route/motel/hotel. Groups are often handled by an internal department or manager, and groups are cancelled for countless reasons.
I work in the travel industry. Plans change, flights are cancelled, hurricanes are a thing, people find better prices for the same flight route/motel/hotel. Groups are often handled by an internal department or manager, and groups are cancelled for countless reasons.
Conspiracy theorists want to go down the rabbit hole with every fact they come across.
Whether it's planes existing, wt7 falling, cancelling flights, videos and images or all the rest, it's all JAQing off (Just Asking Questions).
nt1 has tried to tell us he has a theory, but it's all just JAQing.
You can't argue with it, because it's all just "brain in a vat" stuff, the idea of creating endless uncertainty in order to seem like a genius of thought.
Whether it's planes existing, wt7 falling, cancelling flights, videos and images or all the rest, it's all JAQing off (Just Asking Questions).
nt1 has tried to tell us he has a theory, but it's all just JAQing.
You can't argue with it, because it's all just "brain in a vat" stuff, the idea of creating endless uncertainty in order to seem like a genius of thought.
JimOfAllTrades
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nt1, can you work with Andy_Ross on this, or explain why you wont?
eta: Oops, I missed some posts. nt1 has said he will work on this. I hope they can work it out and I'm interested in the outcome if so.
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Andy_Ross
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Where has he said this?
I can't find the post
Pixel42
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Post #686, at the end.
Andy_Ross
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thanks
