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Car Incident in Liverpool

There seems to have been three stages to this:

Stage one: "The driver is an asyligrant/brown/Muslim. Enough is enough. We are outraged!"

Stage two: "Police say they have arrested a man who is a 'white British man aged 53'. Ah but they didn't say they arrested the driver. The driver looks much younger than that guy rolling around on the kerb being restrained."

Stage three: "Police say the man is under arrest on suspicion of attempted murder, dangerous driving and whilst driving under the influence of drugs or drink. Ah, sounds like a nice Englishman with an English name. He must have been rattled by some thugs banging his car. Who can blame him for having a little bit of road rage and needing to accelerate out of fear for his life? He did sound his horn, eh?"

Stage four?

"Devastating mechanical failure/health episode".
 
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Agatha said:
Apparently the cordon was lifted to allow an ambulance to attend a spectator suffering a possible cardiac arrest, and he tailgated the ambulance. This may be why one of the people hit was a paramedic.
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Now things are starting to make sense. But regardless of how he got in a narrow street with thousands of people, there is no possible excuse for his actions. A complete moronic dickhead. That’s all.
 
One has to wonder how he managed to travel so far before coming to a halt. If in a burst of wanting to flee thugs, why swerve to the right where there were more people than in the lesser populated centre of the road. What happened to the brake and handbrake emergency stop? Or just taking his foot off the gas?

Well, Darren Osborne got 47 years life for the Finsbury Park car mown down. This guy is looking at a looooong sentence IMV.
 
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Vixen said:
Well, Darren Osborne got 47 years life for the Finsbury Park car mown down. This guy is looking at a looooong sentence IMV.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Finsbury Park attacker Darren Osborne jailed for minimum of 43 years

Darren Osborne, who drove a van into a crowd of Muslims in London, will serve a minimum of 43 years.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Actually life with a minimum of 43 years.

He was convicted of murder and attempted murder, which means that the prosecution could prove intent.

If they can't prove intent, it looks as if the maximum sentence for causing serious injury by dangerous driving is 5 years.

Causing serious injury by dangerous driving

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk
 
Vixen said:
Stage three: "
Police say the man is under arrest on suspicion of attempted murder, dangerous driving and whilst driving under the influence of drugs or drink. Ah, sounds like a nice Englishman with an English name. He must have been rattled by some thugs banging his car. Who can blame him for having a little bit of road rage and needing to accelerate out of fear for his life? He did sound his horn, eh?"
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Apart from your weird idea that there is something "nice" about driving under the influence of booze or drugs or that reckless and crazy driving accompanied by sounding the horn is "polite" (absolute wankers will do this to move people out of the way because they usually don't want to get arrested for running people down, not because they are "polite" smmfh!).

Who, in your world, thinks that road rage is somehow a good thing done by "polite nice English gents"?
 
Mojo said:
In fact, there's no such thing as "reckless intent". If someone causes death through recklessness then manslaughter can be charged, if they cause death with intent to harm then the appropriate charge is murder.
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Mostly true, but it's not quite that straightforward, at least in most states in the U.S. The reason you have so many different criminal charges that cover a fact pattern in which one person dies due to the action or inaction of another is that there are distinct mens rea requirements for each. That said, "reckless intent" is a legal contradiction. Recklessness is the intentional disregard of risk without any particular outcome in mind. That is one level of mens rea. Your actions are intentionally contrary to what a reasonable person would do to avoid cognizable risk, but they do not intend to have any particular effect.

One step down, you have mere negligence, which is a lesser degree of culpability. Negligent homicide is a thing. One or two steps up is where you find the intentional variants: the intent to cause harm to a specific person or persons that results in death, or the intent to cause death.
 
Mojo said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Finsbury Park attacker Darren Osborne jailed for minimum of 43 years

Darren Osborne, who drove a van into a crowd of Muslims in London, will serve a minimum of 43 years.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Actually life with a minimum of 43 years.

He was convicted of murder and attempted murder, which means that the prosecution could prove intent.

If they can't prove intent, it looks as if the maximum sentence for causing serious injury by dangerous driving is 5 years.

Causing serious injury by dangerous driving

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk
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And such crimes were added in the 1960s because back than drink driving was simply what you did and juries were not convicting folk of murder, so they brought in "lesser" crimes. How the times have changed.
 
SKY News has updated some footage of the incident, presumably cleared with the police as OK to show.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1927749955453600231


In the interim, police have been given extra time to interview the suspect, who has not yet been charged, A person can only be held for X length of time after which a warrant has to be obtained from a magistrate to hold the person longer without charge.

Total number of officially report as injured so far: 79. Eleven still in hospital.
 
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From Uk.gov:


How long you can be held in custody​

The police can hold you for up to 24 hours before they have to charge you with a crime or release you.

They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 hours if you’re suspected of a serious crime, such as murder.

You can be held without charge for up to 14 days if you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act.
 
Vixen said:
SKY News has updated some footage of the incident, presumably cleared with the police as OK to show.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1927749955453600231


In the interim, police have been given extra time to interview the suspect, who has not yet been charged, A person can only be held for X length of time after which a warrant has to be obtained from a magistrate to hold the person longer without charge.

Total number of officially report as injured so far: 79. Eleven still in hospital.
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Why would the police have cleared any footage that didn’t belong to them? That’s not how things work in the UK.
 
Darat said:
Why would the police have cleared any footage that didn’t belong to them? That’s not how things work in the UK.
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Merseyside Police specifically asked people not to share footage being circulated on social media as it might prejudice a future trial. So whilst you can go to X-twitter and see the final footage of the car's journey, you won't find that same footage in the national press because of contempt of court laws.


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Vixen said:
Are you able to quote a key extract from it, as it is behind a paywall with me?


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DISAPPOINTED? Staked your X followers on Monday’s attack being Islamic terrorism? Arrest of a 53-year-old white man make this unlikely? Don’t let it get in the way of your racism:
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The options are

Abruptly stop posting about it

Treat everything as a conspiracy

Make a stupid meme

Learn from Laurence Fox

Maintain that it is the kind of thing immigrants do, regardless

Cling to your dodgy evidence

Block any challenges
 
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