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Car Incident in Liverpool

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One eyewitness, BBC reporter Matt Cole, described seeing a car coming through the crowd that "just wasn't stopping".

He said it was being chased by a group of men "who were trying to bang on the side of it and throw things at it".

He estimated the car was travelling at "more than 20 [mph]".

He said his initial assumption was that the driver just wanted to "barge through crowds because they didn't want to wait".

Another witness, Matthew O'Carroll, 28, from Runcorn, saw the car approaching the top of Water Street.

He said the vehicle had been going at a "decent" speed and that the driver had been beeping as he went through the crowd.
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www.bbc.com

What we know about the Liverpool FC parade incident

A 53-year-old white British man has been arrested after dozens of people were hit by a car.
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I think it’s a bit hard to describe it as an accident. Anyone in Liverpool would have known of the event, and I would have expected Water St to have been blocked by the police (I recall seeing a lot of bollards in that general area), which makes any “accident” explanation hard to sustain.
 
My local football events have had reported various levels of road rage from locals driving recklessly through the crowds spilling out into the road. A not uncommon scenario when frustration from drivers attempting to get through, takes over from caution by those with shorter tempers.
 
arthwollipot said:
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www.bbc.com

What we know about the Liverpool FC parade incident

A 53-year-old white British man has been arrested after dozens of people were hit by a car.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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lionking said:
I think it’s a bit hard to describe it as an accident. Anyone in Liverpool would have known of the event, and I would have expected Water St to have been blocked by the police (I recall seeing a lot of bollards in that general area), which makes any “accident” explanation hard to sustain.
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lionking said:
A number of eyewitness reports in this article are that the driver was accelerating hard and for 20-30 seconds. He will need a very good lawyer.

www.theguardian.com

Nearly 50 injured after car ploughs into crowd at Liverpool FC victory parade

Man arrested after city centre collision at end of club’s Premier League title celebrations
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arthwollipot said:
The question I have is why was the car being chased by a group of men who were banging on the side of it and throwing things at it?
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I've seen some footage on Twitter. Pretty horrible.

Difficult to make a definitive assessment because I didn't see the whole thing, but at first the driver of the car was not ploughing straight into people but was having his car attacked. At one point someone is beating on the back of his car and he reverses up quickly knocking someone down. Then more people attack the car and later he starts speeding through the crowd knocking people flying and maybe driving over pedestrians.
 
Some right wing accounts still saying it's a cover up.
They know people that were there and have been told the police are telling lies about the identity of the driver.

The high profile accounts that jumped on it right away have now pivoted to asking why the police were so quick to release the identity of the driver.
 
Why are they covering up the culprit becomes why are they revealing the culprit with whiplash speed and exactly the same level of indignation. There is zero introspection by those people.

My own guess, and this is pure irresponsible speculation, is that it will turn out to be an insane road rage incident.
 
The latest report I have heard is that the surrounding streets were closed. The driver should not have been there. How he got there remains to be seen.
 
lionking said:
Well he’s under arrest, so I can only assume that the police have very good reason.
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Of course he is. Driving a car into a crowd and injuring people isn't exactly legal. If he had killed anybody it would be vehicular manslaughter at the very least. Fortunately it doesn't look like anyone has died.
 
lionking said:
The latest report I have heard is that the surrounding streets were closed. The driver should not have been there. How he got there remains to be seen.
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Water Street was not part of the parade route and has residential buildings and on-street parking. Even if it was closed, it's possible a resident parked on the street prior to the closure.
 
Shrinker said:
Water Street was not part of the parade route and has residential buildings and on-street parking. Even if it was closed, it's possible a resident parked on the street prior to the closure.
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You are right, but I still would have thought that all sorrounding streets would be closed.
 
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junkshop said:
Or, perhaps, because there have been recent situations where racist morons have made erroneous assumptions and acted on them, the authorities and/or the press have decided to be more specific.

Unfortunately not every vigilante is the world's greatest detective, with a no kill policy.
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Exactly
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junkshop said:
How interesting that several news outlets felt it necessary to accurately describe the person suspected of having perpetrated the crime.

It's not like there have ever been bad consequences resulting from inaccurate descriptions of suspects being spread about over social media and such.
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And from the general politics thread

jimbob said:
The ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ state of it. WHY HAVE THE POLICE RELEASED INFORMATION ABOUT THE RACE OF THE ARRESTED MAN? EH? Maybe because ghouls would otherwise incite racial hatred? Which they are doing anyway. As far as I can see, it's somehow still the fault of illegal immigrants from Asia, not the actual car driving but the fact that he wasn't Asian.
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I can't see the point of police pandering to the far right and giving out details of so-called 'race'. If people are moronic enough to riot because of fears of brown/Muslim/black/asylum seeker perps, then let them be arrested, charged and serve their stiff sentencing for Public Disorder. The police in the Southport case erred in winding people up with the withholding of information. I mean, it is a case of the police being damned if they do and damned if they don't. I suppose supplying the right amount of info to satisfy public curiosity will be a skillset required in the UK's now highly complex fabric of society. So this guy being 'white, British, aged 53' isn't a terrorist but has instead individual motive. Rather like the differentiation in sport; if a black guy wins a race it's because of his ethnicity. When a white guy wins it's because of noble individual effort. In any case, it's hardly 'road rage' deliberately running hordes of people over. The guy in China who did something similar was executed without further ado.



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In what way is it pandering to the far right when they hate the revelation that it wasn't some illegal muslimist assyligrant so much that they literally won't believe it?

Your solution is to let morons riot and set fire to more immigrant hostels because won't they simply die of embarrassment when they realise they were foolishly mistaken? Great plan.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
In what way is it pandering to the far right when they hate the revelation that it wasn't some illegal muslimist assyligrant so much that they literally won't believe it?

Your solution is to let morons riot and set fire to more immigrant hostels because won't they simply die of embarrassment when they realise they were foolishly mistaken? Great plan.
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No, I just can't see what 'race' has to do with it. The logic of the far right will be, 'so this guy's white British' so that's alright then. He could still be I dunno, second generation Chechen and a raving Muslim. for all we know. The Southport guy was second generation Rwandan 'Christian'. I mean, it tells us nothing at all. The Southport police were evasive and that is what fueled the far right and brick lobbers. As I mentioned the police will need to be more skillful in what information they think the public are entitled to. In this case, they were rightly quick to quell social media rumour but I wonder whether whether this is actually giving in to the racists.

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