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Trump's Second Term

....If you believe you have a right to enter by virtue of your legal authority as an officer of the city, you are not required simply to leave when challenged....
And if you are WRONG about having some made-up authority to inspect a construction site, you can be arrested upon your first refusal to leave.

He was asked to leave, he refused. The end. The state law against trespass is applicable. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
 
Where the first warning just to him or where they illegally barring access to the representatives who should also be charged then with trespassing even though they had a legal right to be there.
Doesn't matter. If he was part of a group of people asked to leave and he refused, then he broke the law and is subject to arrest. ICE agent made it clear that as a non-member of Congress he has NO authority or right to be there.
 
Where the first warning just to him or where they illegally barring access to the representatives who should also be charged then with trespassing even though they had a legal right to be there.
In the audio in the video provided by @Hercules56, there is a discussion among the mayor, the members of Congress, and the ICE agent. Most of it is indistinct and drowned out by shouts from the protesters on the public side of the gate. The discussion seems to be over whether the mayor will be granted entry, but the only distinct statement is a "last warning" spoken ostensibly by the ICE agent at the end of the discussion. The video then cuts to the mayor voluntarily crossing back to the public side.

It then cuts to ICE agents going outside to the public side to arrest the mayor there. We know from other sources that this was after ICE agents consulted with DHS administration, who apparently made the decision to have the mayor arrested and ordered the agents on the scene to do so.

Trespassing is not simply being somewhere where others have an occupancy interest.

And if you are WRONG about having some made-up authority to inspect a construction site, you can be arrested upon your first refusal to leave.
Straw man.

He was asked to leave, he refused. The end. The state law against trespass is applicable. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
No, that is not how trespassing works, nor what your video evidence shows. That's how the prosecutor seems to want it to look.

Again, you keep avoiding the issue of scienter. Why? You avoid the irregularity of the arrest. Why? You really want to boil this down to a simple arrest, but you can't keep track of your own claims or the facts.

ICE agent made it clear that as a non-member of Congress he has NO authority or right to be there.
ICE agents are not lawyers and officers do not have the final say over what elected officials are permitted to do, especially when there is a genuine controversy.
 
In the audio in the video provided by @Hercules56, there is a discussion among the mayor, the members of Congress, and the ICE agent. Most of it is indistinct and drowned out by shouts from the protesters on the public side of the gate. The discussion seems to be over whether the mayor will be granted entry, but the only distinct statement is a "last warning" spoken ostensibly by the ICE agent at the end of the discussion. The video then cuts to the mayor voluntarily crossing back to the public side.

It then cuts to ICE agents going outside to the public side to arrest the mayor there. We know from other sources that this was after ICE agents consulted with DHS administration, who apparently made the decision to have the mayor arrested and ordered the agents on the scene to do so.

Trespassing is not simply being somewhere where others have an occupancy interest.


Straw man.

It appears you dont know what a strawman is.

No, that is not how trespassing works, nor what your video evidence shows. That's how the prosecutor seems to want it to look.

Again, you keep avoiding the issue of scienter. Why? You avoid the irregularity of the arrest. Why? You really want to boil this down to a simple arrest, but you can't keep track of your own claims or the facts.


ICE agents are not lawyers and officers do not have the final say over what elected officials are permitted to do, especially when there is a genuine controversy.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law. ICE agents had probable cause to make the arrest based on a reasonable understanding of the law and their knowledge of what powers and authority a local mayor has.
 
Really sad you feel the need to go there. Calling me a "boot-licker". Truly doesn't contribute to the discussion at all. Mere trolling.
You are being quite clear that law enforcement does not need to obey laws but the slightest thing a black man does he needs to be charged.

IF they had been saying say that they all had no right to be there to all the politicians there then of course they should have also arrested the representatives who stormed the facility. Minorities get arrested for trespassing in their own homes all the time so why should elected representatives be immune to this?
 
In the audio in the video provided by @Hercules56, there is a discussion among the mayor, the members of Congress, and the ICE agent. Most of it is indistinct and drowned out by shouts from the protesters on the public side of the gate. The discussion seems to be over whether the mayor will be granted entry, but the only distinct statement is a "last warning" spoken ostensibly by the ICE agent at the end of the discussion. The video then cuts to the mayor voluntarily crossing back to the public side.

It then cuts to ICE agents going outside to the public side to arrest the mayor there. We know from other sources that this was after ICE agents consulted with DHS administration, who apparently made the decision to have the mayor arrested and ordered the agents on the scene to do so.
Why are ICE agents enforcing state laws then have not been trained in?
 
You are being quite clear that law enforcement does not need to obey laws but the slightest thing a black man does he needs to be charged.

What the ◊◊◊◊ are you talking about?? You must be confused with another thread. And playing the race card again? Seriously? It only hurts your argument.

IF they had been saying say that they all had no right to be there to all the politicians there then of course they should have also arrested the representatives who stormed the facility. Minorities get arrested for trespassing in their own homes all the time so why should elected representatives be immune to this?

Sigh, completely irrelevent to this event.
 
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law.
Wrong again police are never accountable for their mistakes that violate peoples constitutional rights. That is for the public, ignorance of the law is a great excuse for law enforcement.
 
It appears you dont know what a strawman is.
How, exactly?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law.
Straw man. No one is claiming the mayor was ignorant of the law. The claim is that the mayor had a right to enter the facility, not as a member of Congress would have, but as the chief executive of the city in which the building sits.

ICE agents had probable cause to make the arrest based on a reasonable understanding of the law and their knowledge of what powers and authority a local mayor has.
No, ICE agents do not have that training, nor do they have the last word. This is likely why they initially let the mayor leave after issuing warnings, but then later explicitly went outside after consulting with the political leaders of DHS who ordered the arrest.
 
Why are ICE agents enforcing state laws then have not been trained in?
Federal officers have the authority to arrest people for which there is probable cause to charge them with a local crime, such as theft, littering, assault, illegal possession of a weapon, etc.
 
How, exactly?


Straw man. No one is claiming the mayor was ignorant of the law. ..
YOU are. YOU are claiming that the mayor had a reasonable belief that he had the authority to enter the site, due to its lack of proper inspection and repair. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law, and he has NO authority to refuse a legal order to vacate the premises.
 
The claim is that the mayor had a right to enter the facility, not as a member of Congress would have, but as the chief executive of the city in which the building sits...
Again, being ignorant of the law is no excuse. Mayor of city does not equal King.
 
YOU are. YOU are claiming that the mayor had a reasonable belief that he had the authority to enter the site, due to its lack of proper inspection and repair.
I never made the claim that the mayor was going to perform a construction inspection.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law...
No one is claiming the mayor was ignorant of the law.

...and he has NO authority to refuse a legal order to vacate the premises.
That's not how trespassing works.
 
It's being vigorously disputed in federal court. The City of Newark asserts that the building was not properly renovated and was not permitted for occupancy. As such, the city's executives have a right to enter and inspect. ...
No, they do not have such authority. And you are unable to cite state law showing such authority. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law.
 
ICE agent made it clear the Congress persons can be there. Everyone else must leave.
The ICE agent stated his belief that members of Congress could not be refused entry, which is a reasonable interpretation of the law and comports with published ICE policy. That does not preclude other sources of statutory that allow other officers to enter on official business. ICE agents are not necessarily experts in that regard. In fact, the presumption of regularity requires deference to a mayor's belief for what his authority includes.

The agent opened the gate from the public area to the guarded area and let the entire party in, after which they had a conversation over who would be admitted to the building and who would not. At the end of the conversation the mayor was warned that he was liable to arrest if he continued to stay, so he left. If you are invited in, you are not trespassing.
 

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