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Answer my questions.
Dont bark orders at me.

You made a claim, the claim is extremely dubious as there is no evidence for such a thing.

Mayor of a city cannot decide to simply put on his "inspector hat" and conduct an inspection of a possibly hazardous construction site.

Sorry.

As for the trespassing charge, if he was asked to leave just once and he refused, he can be charged. No legal requirement for ICE to say "pretty please leave".
 
Again, he was arrested for trespassing. That means he was on property he had no right to be on, was asked by proper personnel to leave, and he refused.
Just like this guy, imagine the gall he had to think he had the right to be at his job just because the building owner wanted him there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Sampson

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During the five-year period from 2008 to 2013, Sampson was "unlawfully stopped-and-frisked, searched, seized, and/or arrested 288 times," for a total of 63 arrests, 33 of which resulted in court action. He was also searched over 100 times and jailed at least 56 times; the majority of these events occurred at the Quickstop.

Sampson pleaded guilty to the trespassing charges filed against him, since pleading not guilty would have meant remaining in jail, posting bond, meeting trial dates, and spending money."

Clearly a career criminal, why else would he have pled guilty to being at work?
 
Dont bark orders at me.
I'll take that as an admission that you have no explanation for the irregularities of the mayor's arrest.

Mayor of a city cannot decide to simply put on his "inspector hat" and conduct an inspection of a possibly hazardous construction site.
I made no claim that the mayor was intending to conduct a construction inspection. That's what you're trying to turn it into, which makes it a straw man.

As for the trespassing charge, if he was asked to leave just once and he refused, he can be charged. No legal requirement for ICE to say "pretty please leave".
You're simply repeating Alina Habba's claim, for which there is no evidence. You insinuate that the evidence might be found in unedited video of the event. Provide that evidence.
 
Just like this guy, imagine the gall he had to think he had the right to be at his job just because the building owner wanted him there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Sampson

"
During the five-year period from 2008 to 2013, Sampson was "unlawfully stopped-and-frisked, searched, seized, and/or arrested 288 times," for a total of 63 arrests, 33 of which resulted in court action. He was also searched over 100 times and jailed at least 56 times; the majority of these events occurred at the Quickstop.

Sampson pleaded guilty to the trespassing charges filed against him, since pleading not guilty would have meant remaining in jail, posting bond, meeting trial dates, and spending money."

Clearly a career criminal, why else would he have pled guilty to being at work?
He doesn't work at the ICE facility. He has no right or business being there. He was asked to leave and refused, so he was arrested.
 
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Funny you changed your story from him being peaceably escorted off the property to refusing, so which is it and why are you moving the goalposts now?
Video shows that ICE had to ask him multiple times to leave. You're only supposed to be asked once to avoid being charged with trespassing.
 
Video shows that ICE had to ask him multiple times to leave. You're only supposed to be asked once to avoid being charged with trespassing.
If that is the case why did ICE feel the need to lie about it? Remember we know they lied by making up stuff about charging gates that your video shows never happened.
 
If that is the case why did ICE feel the need to lie about it? Remember we know they lied by making up stuff about charging gates that your video shows never happened.
Irrelevent to the charges. All he has to do is be on property where he does not belong, be asked to leave and refuse to leave, and the trespassing charge is warranted.

Doesn't matter if he charged the gates or did the Moonwalk. Even a crab crawl. He was somewhere he was not supposed to be.
 
Its in post 15,772.
That's the video you originally told us was evidence of the mayor leaving peaceably, but now are trying to claim was edited ostensibly to leave out more incriminating behavior. You seem to be trying to cobble up a new law that requires the mayor to have behaved differently than he did.
 
Irrelevent to the charges.
False. If what Alina Habba claimed was true in her tweet that you seem to be parroting, then he would have been liable under the federal trespass law which requires scienter. Instead he was charged only with misdemeanor trespass under state law, which does not require scienter. It is not irrelevant to the charges.
 
Irrelevent to the charges. All he has to do is be on property where he does not belong, be asked to leave and refuse to leave, and the trespassing charge is warranted.

Doesn't matter if he charged the gates or did the Moonwalk. Even a crab crawl. He was somewhere he was not supposed to be.
Yea but that is fine, see all those people from jan 6 who were places they weren't supposed to be to kidnap and murder people who are heroes.
 
That's the video you originally told us was evidence of the mayor leaving peaceably, but now are trying to claim was edited ostensibly to leave out more incriminating behavior. You seem to be trying to cobble up a new law that requires the mayor to have behaved differently than he did.
He finally left after multiple warnings. He can still be arrested for refusing to leave after the first warning.

ICE agent made it very clear why Mayor had no right or authority to be there, while the Congressman did. The crowd was not interested in his citing legal guidelines.
 
He finally left after multiple warnings. He can still be arrested for refusing to leave after the first warning.

ICE agent made it very clear why Mayor had no right or authority to be there, while the Congressman did. The crowd was not interested in his citing legal guidelines.
Where the first warning just to him or where they illegally barring access to the representatives who should also be charged then with trespassing even though they had a legal right to be there.
 
The Jan 6th insurrection has nothing to do with this immediate debate. Please dont derail the discussion.
Your argument is based on what you think constitutes trespassing under the law. It's not off-topic to bring up examples of alleged trespassing that don't comport with your belief and ask you to reconcile them. In any case, you not a moderator. If you believe a post is off-topic, report it for moderation.

He finally left after multiple warnings. He can still be arrested for refusing to leave after the first warning.
If you believe you have a right to enter by virtue of your legal authority as an officer of the city, you are not required simply to leave when challenged. It remains potentially chargeable under state law, which has not scienter requirement. You're alleging scienter, and this was expressly claimed by Alina Habba informally. Yet he was not charged under federal law, even though the charging officer alleged informally that she could have.

Further, you note that the video you're using as evidence was edited, and you insinuated that the portions of the video we did not see contained additional evidence of incriminating conduct that gives authority to Habba's comment. But now you're claiming that the edited video is sufficient evidence of criminal conduct. It's difficult to follow your argument when you keep reinterpreting your evidence to support opposite claims.

ICE agent made it very clear why Mayor had no right or authority to be there, while the Congressman did. The crowd was not interested in his citing legal guidelines.
The crowd is irrelevant.
 

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