Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

[TruthCalls]

Nick Pisa wrote for the UK gossip rag, the DAILY MAIL. That wouldn't affect the trial in a different country/different jurisdiction. When it was done in Italy in the Italian press, of course those people seeking to subvert justice were charged. In the UK you would also be slapped with a Contempt of Court notice should you try to influence a trial similarly there. (This happened in a recent case, when someone wrote an article for Washington Post seeking to undermine the evidence in a complex medical case. The entire article was blocked from being read in the UK. Journalists who wanted to run the 'alternative evidence' stuff, including a columnist in PRIVATE EYE and some guy in the Netherlands, were all threatened with having charges pressed against them if they persisted.) There is nothing unique about Mignini slapping charges in Italy on the editor of WSH or AK's parents for doing something similar in Italy whilst the case was live.

It seems very naive and teenager-ish to believe Mignini did anything differently than prosecutors in any other civilised western country.

BS. The Italian media was publishing all the lies by the police just like the rest of the media did. Who was going to charge the media in Italy when all they were doing was publishing what the police were telling them?

And as I said, Mignini USED the DM article about Amanda's noisy party IN COURT. So yes, crap written in another country DID affect a trial in Italy.

WHO gave the media the pink bathroom photo? I'll help you... the police. And WHO didn't correct the media when they published stories - EVEN in Italy - that indicated that's what the bathroom looked like when Amanda came home that morning. Again, I'll help you - the police. Shall we get into the sex orgy claims, or the seven partners since coming to Italy, or the 'Riot of Seattle' noisy party lie, or the...

Sorry, the claim is the police influenced public opinion, which clearly had an effect on the courts as lay judges are not sequestered and were reading this crap for two years before convicting Amanda. You wanted to argue Amanda waging a PR campaign. You've still not posted a single instance where Marriott pushed a false narrative on the public, and you have no response to the police doing that constantly in the first couple of years following the murder. Your denials don't change the facts.

 

[TruthCalls]

The expectation is that if you are going to claim 'contamination' you need to present a plausible path of how that contamination got there specific to the scenario. Otherwise any criminal can claim 'contamination' without proper proof or testing. Hellmann was criticised for saying, 'Anything is possible', using a piece-meal method of evidence testing and failing to explain why he appointed new expert witnesses at all. As the next merits court via Nencini Appeal pointed out, C&V's report was riddled with so-called 'US standards', clearly written by AK advocates in the US, when C&V were supposed to be independent. They were very obviously bent, as was Hellmann.

If you're going to argue POTENTIAL contamination, the burden is on you to show where the forensic investigation failed to follow normal procedures designed to mitigate the risk of contamination. So when some untrained cop removes a knife from a sterile collection bag and places it in a non-sterile box sitting on the cops desk, in the police station, that is a major failure. We can't see DNA, so we have no way of knowing if DNA from Meredith was present on his desk, but it doesn't matter. The failure was by the SP. They created the possibility. Full stop. Likewise, you don't pick an item of evidence up with visibly dirty gloves, fondle it, pass it around, put it back down on the ground to photograph (which, BTW.. can ANYONE come up with even the most ridiculous explanation for why they did that?) and then claim it's pristine evidence. This gets worse when you incorrectly store it, thereby destroying it so it can never be tested again.

But I get it... you guys like what they concluded from these two massive forensic blunders, so in a classic 'ends justify the means', you think the SP did nothing wrong, and if the defense can't offer proof Meredith's DNA made it onto these items of evidence due to these massive blunders, then we're supposed to ignore the blunders and consider the evidence valid. Thankfully this isn't how it works in most other civilized countries.

 

[Stacyhs]

I know you're not. We'll come back to that.


I know why she was, and it's been explained to you. You're just parroting the guilter lie that it was because she attempted to interfere in the investigation, and you even linked to a source that you falsely claimed proved that.


I am quite aware of that. But you quoted him, claiming that he could offer "insight" into the case. So, if you were intellectually honest, you would understand that you need to be able either to defend his claims, or else acknowledge that he's not as insightful as you imagine he is.

Further, one of the cornerstones of your argument that Amanda is still factually guilty of murder despite her acquittal is your claim of Mafia influence on the Court of Cassation. In order for that to make any sense, you have to be able to explain why the Mafia would care enough to do this. The standard guilter excuse is that Raffaele is connected to the Mafia because he has the same last name as a moderately prominent (now-deceased) Italian-Canadian mafioso who happens to have been born in the same town, and guilters have manufactured some bogus evidence, such as the "church door" photo.

Conversely, I claim that there is no [ETA: credible] evidence that Raffaele or his family were ever connected with the Mafia, and I claim that the fact that his sister was accepted as lieutenant in the Carabinieri is proof that they were not.


See above.


@Myriad read your post the same way I did, and I'll bet other posters did, too. So that's on you.

I also read it the same way.

Whether it seems to you is irrelevant.
The DNA from saliva, sweat, blood, skin is identical. Steffanoni testified to this. You cannot identify the source of the DNA from the DNA. That is a scientific fact. That is why there is a great deal of literature on testing for blood. That is why Staffanoni tested for blood. This is a false idea that has lodged in your brain. Blood is not particularly high in DNA, it is mostly red blood cells that contain no DNA, platelets that contain no DNA and serum (liquid) that contains no DNA. The DNA is contained in white cells which are only a small faction of blood.

Please provide a reference that says in a forensic situation DNA can be used to identify the source of the DNA.

FWIW I'll reference one of the world's top experts on the forensic use of DNA. You should read his expert opinion.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497316300333

Regarding the highlighted: this is why the Marasca court's conclusion that Amanda "washed her hands of Meredith's blood" is not supported by any scientific evidence. It's why no supporting evidence of this was ever presented in court. It's one of those 'judicial facts' that the PGP love so much that is not, in reality, a 'fact' at all.

Referencing Gill is a waste of time for Vixen. He's one of the defense's army of "bent-paid off-incompetent" people.

 

[Welshman]

BS. The Italian media was publishing all the lies by the police just like the rest of the media did. Who was going to charge the media in Italy when all they were doing was publishing what the police were telling them?

And as I said, Mignini USED the DM article about Amanda's noisy party IN COURT. So yes, crap written in another country DID affect a trial in Italy.

WHO gave the media the pink bathroom photo? I'll help you... the police. And WHO didn't correct the media when they published stories - EVEN in Italy - that indicated that's what the bathroom looked like when Amanda came home that morning. Again, I'll help you - the police. Shall we get into the sex orgy claims, or the seven partners since coming to Italy, or the 'Riot of Seattle' noisy party lie, or the...

Sorry, the claim is the police influenced public opinion, which clearly had an effect on the courts as lay judges are not sequestered and were reading this crap for two years before convicting Amanda. You wanted to argue Amanda waging a PR campaign. You've still not posted a single instance where Marriott pushed a false narrative on the public, and you have no response to the police doing that constantly in the first couple of years following the murder. Your denials don't change the facts.

Besides the fake story about showering in a blood bathroom, there were other instances when the prosecution fed false information to the media regarding the purchase of bleach receipts, a missing Harry Potter book and the washing machine running when the postal arrived. The lies are detailed in the link below. The fact that guilters condone these lies shows the industrial scale hypocrisy of guilters :-

*Guilters criticise the PR firm hired by Amanda’s parents for prejudicing trials but have no issue with the prosecution feeding lies to the media which could prejudice the trial and work against Amanda and Raffaele.

*Guilter criticise Amanda for using a PR firm but have no issue with prosecution using the media as a PR tool by publishing damaging lies.

*Guilters viciously attack Amanda Raffale for telling numerous lies but have no issue with the prosecution telling numerous lies as these lies worked against Amanda and Raffaele.

*Guilters attack Amanda for falsely accusing Lumumba of a crime but have no issue with the prosecution using false information to imply Amanda and Raffaele killed Meredith.



Lies & Misinformation

 

[Stacyhs]

"Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me!"

You got called out for mischaracterizing what she wrote and have no better rebuttal than another mischaracterization.

 

[Myriad]

What 'false' and 'unbiased' announcements to the press were made by the prosecution? Bearing in mind even the ECHR says the press are entitled to report on an ongoing case.

Think about a recent US case - or any US murder case - can you think of one that was decided by the prosecutor and not the court? None? Why would Italy be any different?


Might I suggest a more rational and real world view? The case was reviewed by ten different judges before it even reached Giancarlo Massei. Each of the courts that dealt with the merits, Massei and Nencini had two main judges and six lay judges. The tradition in a tribunal style panel - as is the case in Napoleonic/Roman Law Europe - is to have three of the judges on one side (sympathetic to the defence case) and three on the other (sympathetic to the prosecution case). The case went through Massei, Hellmann, Chieffi, Nencini and Marasca-Bruno. Do you really believe the deluded and ridiculous fairy story perpetuated by AK that she was the victim of one prosecutor: Dr Mignini, when he wasn't even there after Massei? I think people who believe AK was 'only convicted because of a rogue prosecutor' are easily scammed.

You can suggest anything you want. Maybe suggest working ninjas into the story if that's the fiction you want to tell. What does it matter what I, you, or anyone else believes? What you're arguing about amounts to a Wikipedia article about a remote event from a bygone decade. Right now, and far into the future, that happens to be a story about malicious and incompetent prosecution of innocent people, which is something few people have any sympathy for once the history comes to light.

Consider the honest well-intentioned prosecutors in Salem, MA in the 1690s who worked so hard to keep the citizens safe from evil. It's so unfair that they ended up vilified just because they killed 25 people, when there was clear testimony and forensic evidence that witches were fraternizing with Satan himself and using the maleficent powers they gained thereby to spectrally assault and torture innocent young girls. The judgment of history is so unfair sometimes! Especially to the ones convinced they're contending against Satan personally, like Ol' Bill Stoughton or Magistrato Giuliano Mignini.

 

[Stacyhs]

Really? So how were the experts able to identify Guede only left epithilial cells?



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They can identify if there is seminal fluid present. There was not...at least not in Meredith's vagina. So, they knew it wasn't DNA from semen. As previously stated, they assumed the DNA was from epithelial cells, not because they had scientific evidence for it. They assumed it in the same way they assumed Amanda's DNA in the sink was from "washing her hands of Meredith's blood."

 

[Vixen]

You can suggest anything you want. Maybe suggest working ninjas into the story if that's the fiction you want to tell. What does it matter what I, you, or anyone else believes? What you're arguing about amounts to a Wikipedia article about a remote event from a bygone decade. Right now, and far into the future, that happens to be a story about malicious and incompetent prosecution of innocent people, which is something few people have any sympathy for once the history comes to light.

Consider the honest well-intentioned prosecutors in Salem, MA in the 1690s who worked so hard to keep the citizens safe from evil. It's so unfair that they ended up vilified just because they killed 25 people, when there was clear testimony and forensic evidence that witches were fraternizing with Satan himself and using the maleficent powers they gained thereby to spectrally assault and torture innocent young girls. The judgment of history is so unfair sometimes! Especially to the ones convinced they're contending against Satan personally, like Ol' Bill Stoughton or Magistrato Giuliano Mignini.

If using the term 'mansplain' is heavily punishable by the mods, please explain why invoking Salem witch trials is acceptable just because the murder suspect was female? Are you seriously claiming accusing a female of murder is 'witch hunting'?




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[Myriad]

If using the term 'mansplain' is heavily punishable by the mods, please explain why invoking Salem witch trials is acceptable just because the murder suspect was female? Are you seriously claiming accusing a female of murder is 'witch hunting'?

Do you perceive some kind of similarity between a prosecutor in Italy in 2009 falsely convicting innocent people based on the unevidenced belief that the defendants were Satanic occultists performing evil rituals, and a prosecutor in Massacusetts in 1692 falsely convicting innocent people based on the unevidenced belief that the defendants were Satanic occultists performing evil rituals?

That's an interesting idea; thanks for bringing it up.

For my part I was only talking about how harsh the judgment of history is to corrupt prosecutors who convict innocent people. Well over three centuries later, people in northeastern Massachusetts still enjoy dancing on the witchcraft prosecutors' graves, especially around Samhain Halloween. It's good fun.

Thanks for the insinuation that I'm sexist, though. Good luck making that one convincing.

 

[Disbelief]

If using the term 'mansplain' is heavily punishable by the mods, please explain why invoking Salem witch trials is acceptable just because the murder suspect was female? Are you seriously claiming accusing a female of murder is 'witch hunting'?




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That's what you took from his analogy? I would say you were wide of the mark, but that would be an understatement. Either that, or it is a deliberate "misunderstanding" so you can deflect.

 

[Vixen]

Do you perceive some kind of similarity between a prosecutor in Italy in 2009 falsely convicting innocent people based on the unevidenced belief that the defendants were Satanic occultists performing evil rituals, and a prosecutor in Massacusetts in 1692 falsely convicting innocent people based on the unevidenced belief that the defendants were Satanic occultists performing evil rituals?

That's an interesting idea; thanks for bringing it up.

For my part I was only talking about how harsh the judgment of history is to corrupt prosecutors who convict innocent people. Well over three centuries later, people in northeastern Massachusetts still enjoy dancing on the witchcraft prosecutors' graves, especially around Samhain Halloween. It's good fun.

Thanks for the insinuation that I'm sexist, though. Good luck making that one convincing.

Fortunately, in Perugia 2007 it was not the prosecutor who did the convicting.




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[Vixen]

That's what you took from his analogy? I would say you were wide of the mark, but that would be an understatement. Either that, or it is a deliberate "misunderstanding" so you can deflect.

It has become a predictable occurrence for supporters of convicted female killers to claim they are victims of witch hunts.

Let's avoid trite clichés.




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[Stacyhs]

Guede never denied he was there.

But he did. In his Nov. 18 Skype call with Benedetti he wrote:

RG: Listen, you know I knew those girls, I knew them both, Meredith and Amanda, but nothing more, you know that. I've been to their house twice, the last time a few days before all this business, but I didn't do anything. I have nothing to do with this business. I wasn't there that evening. If they have found my fingerprints it means I must have left them there before.
GB:
But your photo is everywhere.
RG:
I've seen it, the police were wrong to put my photo around like that. I'm not how they describe me. I have nothing to do with that night.

Not only does he deny being there at all, but he admits to having seen his photograph in the media on Nov. 18. But you still won't admit the Knox saw his name in the TV news on Nov. 20 before Curt's visit, will you?

He never covered up any of his presence.

Apparently, unlike Knox, he didn't have special glasses that could detect invisible DNA and fingerprints, a DNA analysis kit, or a fingerprint identification database.

There is no trace of him in Filomena's room, which there would be if he had come in through the window, having trod on muddy ground and had smashed the window, plus there would be skin scrapes and blood from the shards. But there is none.

You are making an assumption not based in fact. There have been countless burglars who made access through a broken window who did not leave skin scrapes or blood.
As for the "muddy ground", the area was covered in leaves and other foliage.

He was never wearing 'burglars gloves' or he would have continued to hide his DNA and fingerprints.

That may have been his intention. Logically, he'd have removed them (and likely stuck them in his jacket pocket) in order to clean himself with tissue. But, upon being surprised hearing Meredith come home, he forgot to put them back on. We know he wasn't wearing them when he left his bloody handprint.

In addition burglars poop in the middle of the floor.

Oh, for God's sake. It took 2 minutes to find three separate cases of a burglar leavin feces in the toilet.
Burglar Leaves Behind 'Large Bowel Movement' In Toilet

Thief Uses Toilet During Break-In, Doesn't Flush. DNA From Poop Nails Him

Suspected burglar busted after leaving stinky DNA evidence behind.Many thieves meticulously make sure they don't leave behind any fingerprints. But, police say, this man not only didn't flush, he also left a used piece of toilet paper with his DNA all over it, lying on the bathroom floor.

His account has always been consistent - apart from the actual attack of course. Guede was charged, sentenced and did his time.

His account has NOT "always been consistent". In his call with Benedetti he states twice that Knox was not there, that she had nothing to do with it. He states he wasn't even there that night as I previously quoted and cited. Then he claimed only to have seen a "left-handed, Italian speaking man" with a knife. No mention of Knox. He later claimed to have heard Knox and Kercher arguing over money. Then he claimed he saw Knox's "silhouette" outside.

That doesn't cancel out the sure participation of the other attackers.
https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/thief-...-doesnt-flush-dna-from-poop-nails-him-1735579

Amazing how these alleged "sure" attackers left behind no evidence of themselves in Kercher's bedroom. Oh, wait...I forgot: Knox used her special glasses that detected invisible DNA and fingerprints and then her portable DNA analysis kit and accessed the fingerprint database so she could clean up only her and Sollecito's evidence. But she made sure to leave Guede's so she could "cover for him" later by implicating Lumumba. Criminal masterminds!

 

[Stacyhs]

Has anyone ever said the press didn't have the right to report on an ongoing investigation? Of course not, so why make the comment?

What we've been saying is the prosecution was feeding the press lies and speculation and allowing the media to not only report on that, but then to embellish it further. As Pisa said, he was looking to get the most salacious headlines out as quickly as possible, the truth be damned. A prime example being the infamous pink bathroom photo. The police released that photo to the media, and they did not correct the media when it was reported that was what the bathroom looked like when Amanda came home and showered. And if Mignini was interested in the truth, why did he use the false DM article about Amanda's loud party citation when he had to know it was false? And if he didn't know the details of what happened and simply ran with a DM article because it fit his narrative, then that's even more evidence of his incompetence.

It was a clear and obvious abuse by the police to turn the public against Amanda, and boy did it work. Even to this day I read comments by people claiming she's guilty, and citing this very same pink bathroom photo as evidence of her guilt. Yet all you can ever do is talk of the "massive PR campaign" by Marriott, even though you've still failed to cite a single lie pushed by Marriott.

Don't forget the anonymous "policeman" who declared Knox "smelled like sex" the morning of Nov. 2!

 

[Myriad]

Fortunately, in Perugia 2007 it was not the prosecutor who did the convicting.

No one was convicted anywhere in 2007 for Kercher's murder, so that's not surprising.

More generally, though, don't imagine that the judgment of history swings on such technicalities. Benedict Arnold was never convicted of treason by any court of any American colony (Federal courts not even existing at all at the time, of course). Doesn't stop him from being known as the greatest traitor in American history.

Corrupt Satanic-panic-monger Mignini will never be anywhere near that notorious, but it's nice to see you're doing your part to make him and the injustices done by his court as infamous as possible by repeating the prosecution's every lie year after year.

 

[Stacyhs]

Of course, DNA is DNA. The issue in question is, is it possible for expert geneticists to identify where that DNA originates. Clearly, they can, and this is via the quality of the RFU peaks. Blood derived DNA shows higher peaks.

Wrong. If high RFU peak heights mean blood is present, then why do "expert geneticists" continue to use TMB and other blood specific tests instead of "RFU peak heights" to determine if blood is present?
Yes, blood does produce high RFU peak heights, but so do other DNA sources.

Luminol is used by forensic police to highlight blood. The only other material that might affect luminol are some fruit juices such as turnip or grass.

Why do you make up such easily disproved factoids? I'm not going to bother providing the many things luminol reacts to as they've been provided numerous times before.

The 'alternative' idea that AK and RS were padding around barefoot in fruit juice is a real left-field long-shot nice-try desperate attempt at defelcting suspicion!

No one has presented that 'alternative' idea. It's a your own left-field long-shot nice-try desperate attempt at distorting the fact that all NINE tested negative for blood.

Given there was blood all over the floor, as reported by Guede, who in his earliest statement - I believe via FB to Benedetti - says that he didn't know how AK managed to sleep in the apartment, as the entire hallway was covered in blood. You note whoever cleaned up, made sure to leave signs of RG's shoe prints, albeit only one set.

I've read some crazy claims but this one is in the top 5. So somehow, all the blood in the hallway was so successfully removed that luminol didn't detect any, EXCEPT for Guede's faint bloody shoeprints AND the invisible to the naked eye footprints. What did they clean it up with? Certainly not the mop that tested negative for Kercher's DNA or human blood. Oh, wait...I forgot: they bought a NEW mop to replace the old one. Same style and everything! Wow. They are GOOD!
Wait...they left Guede's shoeprints on purpose. Was that part of Knox's covering for him?

Unfortunately, this backfired for the phantom cleaners, as RG's shoeprints show him heading out of Mez' room straight for the front door on his way out. No stopping to lock Mez' door or pull it to, for which he'd need to face the door.

Was Guede incapable of turning at the waist?

But we do see both AK's and RS's footprints highlighted by luminol facing Mez' door.

Ah, yes...Amanda's footprint, supposedly in Kercher's blood, that tested negative for blood and negative for Kercher's DNA. The same footprint that did not contain any DNA at all, not even Knox's. The same footprint that was found to only be "compatible" with Knox's foot but was never compared to the foot of the other girls living there.

Raffaele's footprint was NOT "facing MK's door":
"Exhibit 2, collected in the corridor directed outward, is a right footprint, compatible with the one of reference, obtained from Sollecito." (Hellmann MR)

Interestingly, there are no footprints of RS leading up to the bathmat, where his footprint is identified - and he has a very characteristic hammer toe -

It was never proved BARD to belong to RS and you know that. You're just repeating the prosecution witnesses. You know the ones paid by the police.

so maybe that is why AK was carefully scooting around on a towel between the bathroom and her room (she claims) after taking a shower (she claims) on the morning of the 2 Nov 2007, the morning after the murder..

Sigh. Knox never said she used a 'towel' to scoot to her room.
According to your comment, Knox used the mat to remove the bloody footprints leading to the bathmat but then LEFT THE BATHMAT WITH RS'S FOOTPRINT ON IT AND POINTED IT OUT TO THE POLICE. That makes no logical sense.

One of the police said he saw evidence of the shower having been used (he claims).

 

[Stacyhs]

(snipped for irrelevant nonsense.)

It seems very naive and teenager-ish to believe Mignini did anything differently than prosecutors in any other civilised western country.

You do realize prosecutors in "other civilized western countries" have been found guilty of several illegal acts?

Texas Disbars Prosecutor for Misconduct in Sending Innocent Man to Death Row

Colorado Elected District Attorney Disbarred for Litigation Misconduct

Former Duke Prosecutor Nifong Disbarred

A good prosecutor is not found by a court to have led a prosecution replete with "glaring errors," "investigative amnesia," and "culpable omissions".

 

[Stacyhs]

It has become a predictable occurrence for supporters of convicted female killers to claim they are victims of witch hunts.

Let's avoid trite clichés.

Let's avoid deliberately mischaracterizing what Disbelief said.

 

[SpitfireIX]

DNA is not the only evidence. Forensic evidence is circumstantial evidence. There is an overwhelming body of evidence looked at as a whole . . .

Yes. An overwhelming body of evidence indicating that Rudy acted alone in murdering and raping Meredith.

. . . the all night cleaning . . .

Assumes facts not in evidence.

. . . the phones switched off . . .

Are you saying that they already planned to murder Meredith even before they left Raffaele's apartment?

. . . the frying of the cottage laptops . . .

was done by the police, as has been explained to you numerous times.

. . . the numerous lies and evasions . . .

The problems with the illegal interrogations have been discussed ad nauseam. It is true that they lied about the marijuana, but that was because they didn't want Laura and Filomena to get in trouble, as you should well know by now. Further, and crucially, it does not demonstrate consciousness of guilt with respect to Meredith's murder.

. . . that renders the PR campaign as totally misconceived.

No. Even ignoring all of the above, there were numerous lies spread by the Italian authorities as part of their character assassination campaign (e.g., the "bloody bathroom" photo) that Amanda's family had every right to attempt to counter.

 

[TruthCalls]

Don't forget the anonymous "policeman" who declared Knox "smelled like sex" the morning of Nov. 2!

There's an entire list of instances where the police fed the media lies and speculation against Amanda for the sole purpose of turning the public against her. Unfortunately, since lay jurors are not sequestered in Italy, they were bombarded by all of those lies and speculation for two years before convicting her. In the US, we allow trials to be moved to different locations to avoid negative media coverage and get a fair trial. That was not an option for Amanda.

What's interesting is the genesis for the discussion was these comments from Vixen;

Do you think it ethical for Knox' friends and family to get newspapers to claim the prosecutor of Knox was 'mentally unbalanced' during a live case? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Or do you think trying a serious murder/rape case - as in the Kercher case - outside of court via tabloid newspapers and PR agencies upholds the principle of the rule of law - i.e., in a criminal court of law only, and by means of a fair trial?

I have since repeatedly provided Vixen examples where the prosecution fed the media lies and speculation, and that this amounted to a PR campaign against Amanda. She asked for examples, so I listed some, including the pink bathroom picture and the DM article about her noisy party citation. I'm not sure if everyone read the article, but it was a complete fabrication. Despite that, she came back with this;

The DAILY MAIL article is a factual account of Knox having received a ticket for anti-social partying. How is that untrue? Given the trial was being held in Italy, there was no subjudice on UK newspapers reporting this, as it wouldn't prejudice a trial in another country's jurisdiction.

It wasn't a factual account, and I listed over a half dozen fallacies in the article, and I also pointed out that Mignini referenced that specific article in court. She's never acknowledged she was wrong about the article, wrong about the prosecution being the one waging a PR campaign, and wrong that what's written in the foreign media absolutely can influence a trial.