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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Rolfe said:
In your entirely inexpert opinion. You simply don't want even to look at anything that sheds the cold light of day on the predilections of your precious darlings. Who get up to a lot worse than that, and post the videos on TikTok, but there are limits to what anyone is willing to share in the forum in that respect.
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"Precious darlings". I take it you are a little slow on the uptake, but I am fairly indifferent to transfolk. I am rather adamantly anti-haters, though.
 
Thermal said:
Did you notice that you are criticizing your own post?

Let me try translating using my trans-haters to English program and see if I can figure out what you are talking about:

You think that I excuse the stuff *you claim* is trans people, who are just randos off the street (most of whom.are photographed indoors),but I hold the academic researcher to a higher standard?

Not just regular stupid: advanced stupid.
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Anything to deflect from the undeniable fact that the trans cult is the public face of autogynaephilia. An entire "identity" brought into being to allow this fetish not simply to be performed in public, but to force non-consenting bystanders to participate in their erotic immersive role-play, and to elevate its practitioners to the status of can-do-no-wrong-because-trans.
 
Thermal said:
Don't see how that was anything about trans, and I watched it all.
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Did you happen to catch the part where Frank says "I got in my head, what I really wanted was to be one of these Asian girls getting ◊◊◊◊◊◊ by me...and to feel that."

That's textbook AGP.
 
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d4m10n said:
Did you happen to catch the part where Frank says "I got in my head, what I really wanted was to be one of these Asian girls getting ◊◊◊◊◊◊ by me...and to feel that."

That's textbook AGP.
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We are not talking about whether it is autogynophelia, which I already agreed it could well be.

We are talking about whether there is any connection to being trans, which there appears not to be. Not in the fictitious character, and not in reality.

ETA: also, and this is important: in that scene, Frank is describing all kinds of whacked out ◊◊◊◊. It was pretty clearly the intent of the writers to show he had gone 'out there', not to explore Sissy Porn, which is what it really described.

AGP is just a thought, nothing more. It's not a condition or disorder.
 
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d4m10n said:
Frank is fantasizing about seeing himself as a woman.

Do we really need to connect the dots here?
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You can do that in privacy as a kink without being trans at all.

He also makes a point of saying it's him doing the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ of him, which is a weirder additional dissociative element.
 
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Thermal said:
You can do that in privacy as a kink without being trans at all.
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If you find yourself desperately wanting to be (or at least simulate being) the opposite sex, then you are something more than zero percent transgender, by any operative definition of the term.
 
d4m10n said:
If you find yourself desperately wanting to be (or at least simulate being) the opposite sex, then you are something more than zero percent transgender, by any operative definition of the term.
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OK. So? Frank was being portrayed as overdoing everything, going to what most people woiuld consider ludicrous lengths to get off. He still never breathed a word about being a woman in anything but sex play.

And again, Frank is fictional. He does not exist. He is not a case study.
 
d4m10n said:
Have you seen a scientifically-based argument that people with gender dysphoria are so far outside of the normal curve that they cannot function well even in non-combat support roles?
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It's not a matter of whether or not they can function. It's a matter of whether or not it's worth it. If they cost more and aren't as effective, then it's not unreasonable to exclude them.

Did you know that celiac disease is generally disqualifying for military service? It's not because celiacs cannot do the job. They absolutely can. With proper diet (far less of an imposition than hormone treatment) they are functionally indistinguishable from non-celiacs. But having them serve imposes additional costs which the military has concluded are not worth the benefit. The military could provide them with gluten-free meals, but chooses not to. Nobody has a right to serve, that isn't how the military works, and excluding celiacs from service isn't a sign of hatred towards them.
 
Thermal said:
He still never breathed a word about being a woman in anything but sex play.
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So what?

To quote cocainagrif from Reddit

becoming a trans woman has been remarkable in my enjoyment of sex, and seeing myself in the mirror and finding myself to be a smokeshow is incredible. what if down the line I decide to get bottom surgery so I can have the kind of sex that I want to have? not out of negative feelings towards my penis, but out of positive feelings about getting my vagina filled. it shouldn't be a disqualifying factor that part of my reason for transitioning is to change the body with which I ◊◊◊◊.​

People go to crazy extreme lengths to fulfill erotic desire, and I'm okay with that.
 
Ziggurat said:
Nobody has a right to serve, that isn't how the military works, and excluding celiacs from service isn't a sign of hatred towards them.
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Ah yes, I clearly recall when the GOP demonized celiac sufferers as lacking in "honesty, humility, uniformity, and integrity" so that makes your analogy quite persuasive. Either that, or else you've missed a key point here.
 
d4m10n said:
So what?

To quote cocainagrif from Reddit

becoming a trans woman has been remarkable in my enjoyment of sex, and seeing myself in the mirror and finding myself to be a smokeshow is incredible. what if down the line I decide to get bottom surgery so I can have the kind of sex that I want to have? not out of negative feelings towards my penis, but out of positive feelings about getting my vagina filled. it shouldn't be a disqualifying factor that part of my reason for transitioning is to change the body with which I ◊◊◊◊.​

People go to crazy extreme lengths to fulfill erotic desire, and I'm okay with that.
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Ya that's great. What we were talking about was if AGP was incorporated into being trans in *most*cases, as was claimed. There is no connection. Maybe in some percentage of the 3% of transpeople who also have AGP, but whatever. The rule hasn't been demonstrated.

Reddit has an estimated 500 million users. You are going to find the one in a million who says exactly what you want them to say many times over. Anecdotes, data.
 
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d4m10n said:
Ah yes, I clearly recall when the GOP demonized celiac sufferers as lacking in "honesty, humility, uniformity, and integrity" so that makes your analogy quite persuasive. Either that, or else you've missed a key point here.
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Not the point. Some health conditions, and I would certainly include trans people in that, aren't worth the time and money they would cost to accommodate in the military. Celiac was mentioned to show it's nothing to do with prejudice. I imagine people with no legs don't get in either.
 
Thermal said:
But not of being trans. There's no connection to trans. The idea, the arousing thought, was likely AGP, yes. But you guys have stretched that over to 'therefore trans!' which doesn't follow at all. It didn't for the character
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Did you fall asleep for the whole "maybe I want to be an asian woman" part, and the "maybe I'm an asian woman on the inside"? Are you working on the hypothesis that if they don't literally use the word "trans" it can't possibly be trans at all?
 
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If you're wondering whether that thumbnail does him justice: Yes, he really does present as a bald Matt Damon in drag.
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The luggage theft was particularly weird, because they specifically stole luggage from females and then would wear those stolen female clothes.
 
Rolfe said:
I'm currently having a bit of a row with the management of a theatre I attend regularly. I have stopped going into the women's toilets there since I realised that men in dresses were striding in as if they owned the place. I wasn't confident that management would back me up if I complained, so I just self-excluded. Which involves going six hours in the evening without "paying a call".

Here's the response.



All I asked was for an assurance that, if they received a complaint that a man was using the women's facilities, their staff would support the woman who complained, and not the man who had chosen to go where he shouldn't be. They can't even manage that. They already have the facilities in place - a new foyer area including bars and toilet facilities was added to the old Victorian theatre only ten years ago - but they can't give an assurance they will comply with the law.

What was singularly lacking in that letter was any acknowledgement that I, whom I would suppose would count as one of their "valued customers" was feeling neither safe nor respected. No apology that I was having to go for six hours without using the toilet. Certainly no assurance that I would be offered my choice of a female-only space where males were not permitted. Just wittering nonsense about waiting for an updated code of practice and seeking further advice from government before complying with the law as it has now been confirmed to have been for the past 15 years. I mean, further advice? A seven-year-old could understand it.



There's not much ambiguity, is there?

I am getting a subtext that women who want a single-sex facility don't count as "everyone" in the context of feeling safe and respected. That while the "diversity" contingent's special feelz are really, really important and serious and must be indulged, women's feelings can be safely discounted. And to add insult to injury, the missive was signed "Jen". Which I presume is short for "Jennifer the captured handmaiden".
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Totally feel you on this...

That said, they're probably getting hit by TRAs on the other side and are trying to keep their responses as uniform and generic as possible. I suspect Jen is going to be on the receiving end of a lot of harassment no matter what they say.
 
Thermal said:
It is not.

Also not.

And can also be entirely benign and not a disorder at all.

Do you remember when I posted the goddamned DSM-5 in its entirety to damonstrate to you that your claims were bull ◊◊◊◊? Autogynephilia appears on two pages only. It is not categorized as anything. It is not a diagnosis or any kind of recognized condition, averse or otherwise.
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I remember you posting stuff and claiming that it doesn't mean what it says it means, and then dismissing it out of hand.

It appears on two pages... and one of those pages is LITERALLY a subcategory of Transvestic Disorder, which is a category within Paraphilic Disorders.

The other reference is with respect to gender dysphoria, where is says it can sometimes present with autogynephilia.
 
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