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Merged Due process in the US

Safe-Keeper said:
Yo, trumpkins, we're at the stage where a US citizen has been whiskey away to a Mexican country. Care to take a minute to explain how this is perfectly fine and not a cause for concern if you're not too busy goose stepping and practicing the Musk salute?
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They'll have an out. It will be a convoluted excuse, but it will be excused.
 
I'm not exaggerating when I say that due process is a foundational principle of any government that purports to be a government of laws. It's not just a formality. It's not just performative. The Republicans are trying very hard to push the narrative that certain people don't deserve due process because they're supposedly villains, that due process applies only to people the government has granted citizen status, or that due process is subordinate to the emergent needs of a government's agenda or to its imagined populist mandate.

The stories of Abrego Garcia and others wrongly victimized are not tangents or distractions. They are central to the argument of why due process is the foundation of a government of laws. The Republicans are vilifying these people in the media as a populist substitute for the process that would test the government's claims and likely find them to be wholly without merit. Due process of laws is a right to anyone made subject to those laws and treated according to them. There is no "Well, technically..." argument credibly shows otherwise.
 
Tampa woman deported to Cuba gets separated from one-year-old and U.S. citizen husband

Heidy Sánchez, 44, a Hillsborough County resident, was among 82 Cuban migrants sent on a plane from Miami back to Cuba on Thursday morning, her husband, Carlos Yuniel Valle, told the Miami Herald. Her deportation has been so sudden and traumatic for their infant daughter, still breastfeeding and with ongoing health issues, that her grandmother was taking her to the hospital, he said in a phone interview on Friday.

“The baby is distressed and does not want to eat,” Valle said. “Imagine, they ripped the child from her mother’s arms at the immigration office; the cries of that woman in there could be heard back in Cuba,” he said, speaking of his wife’s desperation at being separated from her daughter.
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JayUtah said:
I'm not exaggerating when I say that due process is a foundational principle of any government that purports to be a government of laws. It's not just a formality. It's not just performative. The Republicans are trying very hard to push the narrative that certain people don't deserve due process because they're supposedly villains, that due process applies only to people the government has granted citizen status, or that due process is subordinate to the emergent needs of a government's agenda or to its imagined populist mandate.

The stories of Abrego Garcia and others wrongly victimized are not tangents or distractions. They are central to the argument of why due process is the foundation of a government of laws. The Republicans are vilifying these people in the media as a populist substitute for the process that would test the government's claims and likely find them to be wholly without merit. Due process of laws is a right to anyone made subject to those laws and treated according to them. There is no "Well, technically..." argument credibly shows otherwise.
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Absolutely
 
Authoritarian goverrnments tend to substitute a division between good people and bad people for due process. That distinction is always going to be vague and capricious. People vote for the strong man thinking he will be their strong man. The strong man invariably has other ideas.
 
JayUtah said:
I'm not exaggerating when I say that due process is a foundational principle of any government that purports to be a government of laws. It's not just a formality. It's not just performative. The Republicans are trying very hard to push the narrative that certain people don't deserve due process because they're supposedly villains, that due process applies only to people the government has granted citizen status, or that due process is subordinate to the emergent needs of a government's agenda or to its imagined populist mandate.

The stories of Abrego Garcia and others wrongly victimized are not tangents or distractions. They are central to the argument of why due process is the foundation of a government of laws. The Republicans are vilifying these people in the media as a populist substitute for the process that would test the government's claims and likely find them to be wholly without merit. Due process of laws is a right to anyone made subject to those laws and treated according to them. There is no "Well, technically..." argument credibly shows otherwise.
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"Due process" is just the answer to the question, "How do you know that?"

For example, "Why are you against deporting illegals?"
"How do you know they are here illegally?"

"Because ICE said so" is not the answer. Due process is.
 
JayUtah said:
I'm not exaggerating when I say that due process is a foundational principle of any government that purports to be a government of laws. It's not just a formality. It's not just performative. The Republicans are trying very hard to push the narrative that certain people don't deserve due process because they're supposedly villains, that due process applies only to people the government has granted citizen status, or that due process is subordinate to the emergent needs of a government's agenda or to its imagined populist mandate.

The stories of Abrego Garcia and others wrongly victimized are not tangents or distractions. They are central to the argument of why due process is the foundation of a government of laws. The Republicans are vilifying these people in the media as a populist substitute for the process that would test the government's claims and likely find them to be wholly without merit. Due process of laws is a right to anyone made subject to those laws and treated according to them. There is no "Well, technically..." argument credibly shows otherwise.
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Quite. I would have though that although it's not quite the only thing, due process is exactly what this country is about.
 
JayUtah said:
I'm not exaggerating when I say that due process is a foundational principle of any government that purports to be a government of laws. It's not just a formality. It's not just performative. The Republicans are trying very hard to push the narrative that certain people don't deserve due process because they're supposedly villains, that due process applies only to people the government has granted citizen status, or that due process is subordinate to the emergent needs of a government's agenda or to its imagined populist mandate.

The stories of Abrego Garcia and others wrongly victimized are not tangents or distractions. They are central to the argument of why due process is the foundation of a government of laws. The Republicans are vilifying these people in the media as a populist substitute for the process that would test the government's claims and likely find them to be wholly without merit. Due process of laws is a right to anyone made subject to those laws and treated according to them. There is no "Well, technically..." argument credibly shows otherwise.
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Due process is another of those things that either applies to everyone or it applies to no one. Once someone start picking and choosing, well tomorrow you might be the unlucky one the powers that be decide to exclude.
 
JayUtah said:
I'm not exaggerating when I say that due process is a foundational principle of any government that purports to be a government of laws. It's not just a formality. It's not just performative. The Republicans are trying very hard to push the narrative that certain people don't deserve due process because they're supposedly villains, that due process applies only to people the government has granted citizen status, or that due process is subordinate to the emergent needs of a government's agenda or to its imagined populist mandate.

The stories of Abrego Garcia and others wrongly victimized are not tangents or distractions. They are central to the argument of why due process is the foundation of a government of laws. The Republicans are vilifying these people in the media as a populist substitute for the process that would test the government's claims and likely find them to be wholly without merit. Due process of laws is a right to anyone made subject to those laws and treated according to them. There is no "Well, technically..." argument credibly shows otherwise.
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It's incredibly alarming. Like the sudden support for kidnapping, unlawful detention, and torture in the Bush era. Dump isn't the problem, the problem is what a large part of the US population is completely fine with authoritarian rule that don't care about laws or the constitution.
 
Oh look, another mistake.

“It’s time for you to leave.”

That was the opening line of an email sent to Carlos Trujillo — a naturalized U.S. citizen working as an immigration lawyer in Salt Lake City — on April 11, ordering him to self-deport within seven days.

“I know the laws of this country,” Trujillo told Nexstar’s KTVX. “I am not leaving. I am not deportable. But I do want everybody to know that these kinds of things are happening.”
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Naturalized citizen and immigration lawyer = deportation.

This is intimidation pure and simple. This corrupt administration has started deporting U.S. citizens, and unless there's an uproar they can't deflect or escape, they will continue to do so. They started with a two year old and if they get away with that, they'll start deporting critics, journalists, judges . . . this is ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up, an actual constitutional crisis happening in real time, and if the legacy media don't pull their heads out of their asses and pound Homan and Blondi, and Trump and Miller, they deserve what they get. Unfortunately, they'll take you and me with them.

This is really, really ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up, and the people that voted for it are scum.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
It's incredibly alarming. Like the sudden support for kidnapping, unlawful detention, and torture in the Bush era. Dump isn't the problem, the problem is what a large part of the US population is completely fine with authoritarian rule that don't care about laws or the constitution.
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As an aside, I always thought "24" was pernicious propaganda. Normalising the fascist wet dream
 
Safe-Keeper said:
It's incredibly alarming. Like the sudden support for kidnapping, unlawful detention, and torture in the Bush era. Dump isn't the problem, the problem is what a large part of the US population is completely fine with authoritarian rule that don't care about laws or the constitution.
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As an aside, I always thought "24" was pernicious propaganda. Normalising the fascist wet dream
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Yo, trumpkins, we're at the stage where a US citizen has been whiskey away to a Mexican country. Care to take a minute to explain how this is perfectly fine and not a cause for concern if you're not too busy goose stepping and practicing the Musk salute?
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It didn't bother many people in the '30s when hundreds of thousands of USAians were expelled at gunpoint.
 
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