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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

You're transparently trying to make any pro-trans position seem unusually horrific, yet you acknowledge that the same horrific standard exists every day, and you don't bat an eyelash.

Till it's about a transwoman. Now you suddenly give a ◊◊◊◊.
The reason for this is that transwomen are males - they're not females. And the policies under discussion are ones that give males the right by law to violate female boundaries. That's why we give a ◊◊◊◊ about transwoman - not because they're transgender, but because they are male.
 
Not true. Your side, with virtually one voice, has acknowledged that the opposite bio sex goes through sometimes without issue. I do, too.
Some people being able to successfully mimic the physical traits of the opposite sex doesn't mean that they're allowed - it means that they can effectively cheat without being caught.

On my desk right now is an actual philodendron, a high-quality realistic faux orchid, and a not-at-all convincing plastic fern. I could make a rule that I only let real plants on my desk, and pretty much everyone is going to toss the fern out - it's obviously not real. But the orchid... a lot of people might let it stay, especially if they don't touch it. That doesn't make it a real orchid, and it doesn't change my rule. It just means that the orchid gets away with breaking the rule because people don't realize that it's not real.
 
Am I confused about the gender I'm attracted to? Of course not, I ask the question for the same reasons Zig and others ask what criteria I would use to determine how sincere a trans-person is in their transition.
Just for clarity, are you saying that there are some people with penises that you're attracted to and would consider as a potential sexual partner?
 
If you're going to use
diminutive terms like this, you're going to get ignored. If you have something worth saying, you can find respectful ways of saying it.
Diminutive means extremely or unusually small. I'm guessing you meant something like disparaging or derogatory.
This isn't a hate-trans forum where people share yuks at trans-people's expense.

This isn't a hate-female forum, but that doesn't seem to have prevented people sharing "yuks" - astonishingly misogynistic views - at women's expense. But you don't call that out.
 
I suspect that many trans men accidentally out themselves, when they try to start up conversations with strangers in the mens room.

The only time I've seen conversations in the male facilities, is if two people, very well known to each other, continue a conversation as they enter the room.

Not quite as bad as Asimov's depiction of the anxiety attack induced by a robot (disguised as a human) speaking in the 'fresher'...

... Was it in Caves of Steel? no matter.

But still I imagine someone trying to start a conversation with a stranger would be greeted by something like:

"Are you new here?"

at best

or "◊◊◊◊ Off" at worst.
 
I have a problem with transgender identified males
Yeah, it shows.

I've been meaning to bring this up, because i haven't seen it mentioned (search is down, remember). Maybe you genuinely don't know what that term means? EC, that term basically doesn't exist among non-bigots. See the search below; it doesn't appear as a legit phrase, except that Wiktionary acknowledges it as derogatory and offensive term for transwomen. And that's exactly what you broadcast by using it. It doesn't matter if you say "oh, it's just meant to be more clear". Yeah, right. It's crystal ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ clear.

So you and others can't say you are unaware that it's a slur anymore. You know. So if you start with 'TIM' and then try to sound sincere about women's safety or whatever, you should know that it stinks like a steaming pile of dog ◊◊◊◊, but your dog whistle is heard loud and clear.

 
Meh, I'm tired of your directives.

And I'm tired of your evasions.

@Mycroft, you need to understand that @Ziggurat has pretty much proved the point he has been making recently --- that point being, you have been equivocating, obfuscating, evasive, and refusing to engage in honest debate. I have had enough run-in's with him to know when I have been on a losing end of a debate, like you are right now. He has nothing to lose by you flouncing.
 
Impossible to tell.

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Your honesty, and that of your thumbs-uppers, is appreciated. It's refreshing when you guys drop the endless bull ◊◊◊◊ and just come right out and mock the tranny freaks.
 
Your honesty, and that of your thumbs-uppers, is appreciated. It's refreshing when you guys drop the endless bull ◊◊◊◊ and just come right out and mock the tranny freaks.
Seriously, what's not to mock?

When I first saw that photo, I thought "This is some guy taking the piss, surely?"
 
Correcting the insanity has begun and organizations are looking to return to observable reality in their policy making


The UPG also said the change in policy was prompted by receipt of a report which confirmed pool was a gender-affected sport under the Equality Act, which therefore permits the lawful exclusion of athletes based on sex.


Transgender people could be treated in private rooms in the NHS, the Health Secretary has said, as he admitted wishing he had listened earlier to the debate around single-sex spaces.
Wes Streeting told LBC radio the NHS is still updating its guidance after the Supreme Court ruled the terms “woman” and “sex” in the 2010 Equality Act “refer to a biological woman and biological sex”.
 
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We're still seeing a lot of this "transgender people can be excluded from single sex spaces if proportionate" nonsense. Almost as soon as the judgement was issued, activist groups (including legal firms, somewhat shockingly) issued press releases claiming that was the case. While some of the worst misinformation has been corrected, that one is still going the rounds. It's 100% wrong.

The judgement actually says that everyone of the opposite sex must be excluded from a single sex space, otherwise it is not single sex but mixed sex, in which case nobody at all can be excluded. It's absolutely clear and unambiguous.

The only place where the question of proportionality arises is when determining whether it is legitimate to designate a particular space as single sex. Once that has been decided in the affirmative, that's the end of it. It has already been established that toilets, showers, changing rooms and sleeping accommodation can be designated as single sex.

Imagine if it were as these jokers maintain. Man in a dress walks into women's toilet. Women complain. Management declares, but it's a pretty dress and he's shaved, so we've decided it's proportionate to let him stay. It's completely unworkable. If it says women on the door it has already been decided that it's legitimate and proportionate to exclude men, and that means all men. The only alternative would be to change the sign to say mixed sex, and that itself brings insurmountable problems.
 
Why is that important? The prison might not have bought it, but under self ID (which the UK now seems to be pulling back from), that doesn't matter, he's still trans because he says he's trans. Would it really make any difference if he started identifying as trans before he started raping? Why?

After they have served their sentence, they have to be. But we can still insist that as a male, Bryson has to use the men's bathroom.
The recent supreme Court judgement in the UK has moved the UK to self-ID.
 

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