Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Rolfe]

Eta: oh, and the nice guy thing you're mocking? You're letting the mask slip again. Most guys are pretty chill, especially in the crisis departments, where they vett out the creeps really fast. Your general dislike and distaste for men keeps shining through, assuming a priori that they should be taken as monsters as a given.

I just noticed this ETA, and this is really perverse. I'm not mocking nice guys at all. I'm very appreciative of nice guys, and most guys are nice. I was observing that it seems very difficult to get some genuinely nice guys to realise the depths of perversion and depravity that are within some other men. Some do get it, but others, I think because they simply can't imagine feeling or behaving like that themselves, can't believe that any man can be so depraved. Women, for some reason, seem to understand it more easily.

This was in the context of some men having a rape fetish and getting off on listening to (or indeed reading) accounts of real-life rapes by the victims. This is a real thing. These men will try anything to get into the company of raped women who are opening up to group therapy and the like. It's particularly prevalent online, where it's easier to create a false persona, but men have been trying to get inside real-life rape support groups too. The only way to avoid that is to ensure that the entire operation is female-only.

Any man at all who approaches a rape crisis centre trying to get into the company of raped women is a huge red flag, whether or not he asserts trans status. Of course, asserting trans status makes it a hell of a lot easier to do. He can even take the organisation to court to have them forced to take him on.

There really are men like that. Whether there really is, somewhere, a trans-identifying man who doesn't have a sexual fetish for rape victims, but nevertheless has a burning ambition to work as a counsellor to help them, I don't know. But if there is such a man he needs to have it explained to him that this ambition is grossly inappropriate, and he should take his charitable instincts elsewhere. The women don't want him counselling them anyway. If he isn't a predator, he will understand this and back off.

Caveat. Of course men are sometimes raped too. There is also a need for support centres and crisis centres for them. But women should be permitted a male-free environment when they need it, not subjected to any man's self-important insistence on "helping" them.

 

[Rolfe]

Yaniv wears literal womanface, man.

Yeah, biological male from Canadia wasn't quite feminine enough for him. He changed his name to something very feminine sounding. Nothing about his words and actions suggests anything but "this sexual appropriation is da bomb".

He changed his name to the name of a girl he had been stalking, Jessica. She has written about it online. It's another example of the skinwalking a lot of these creeps indulge in, like Adam Bryson calling himself Adam Graham (his wife's name) before going for Isla Bryson, Theo Upton turning himself into a facsimile of his wife, earrings and all, and quite a few more. There is one man who had done his level best to turn himself into his late wife, it's extraordinarily creepy.

At the time when Yaniv decided to troon out, and he'd just started wearing womanface, he posted stuff online about using the women's toilets on a ferry he was in the habit of catching. He asked what it would be like, do women walk around with their "vaginas" on show? Would he be able to see a tampon string? He wrote about carrying tampons with him in the hope that a girl would ask him for one. (Apparently groups of schoolgirls regularly use the ferry.) What if a ten-year-old girl asks me for a tampon and it's her first period, he asked. Should I show her how to insert it, help her insert it?

He moved on to swimming evenings, advertising a swimming evening for trans people only, including children, where they would be allowed to be topless (if they identified as boys). No parents were to be allowed. I think other local people made enough fuss that that didn't actually happen.

That was before the whole "wax my balls" thing started. This new transmogrification into a woman belonging to an indigenous tribe is yet another step. But even that is more credible than his claims to be an academic.

 

[varwoche]

I'm guessing Mycroft didn't follow the Pelicot case. That scumbag had no problem finding over 70 men living within 30 miles of his rural home who were very happy to accept his invitation to come and rape his unconscious wife whilst he watched and filmed them doing it. The celebrity cases also confirm just how many men there are who are keen to pester, harass and even assault women, given only the opportunity and a reasonable chance of getting away with it. Which is exactly what self ID provides them.

Maybe Mycroft should ask his legion of female friends whether they've ever been the subject of unwanted male sexual attention. Tell us that percentage.

Or if they've actually been raped.

Human's are awful.
Woman humans are awful too.

Given the context, it's weird that you added this irrelevant comment.

 

[Ziggurat]

With the forum search function broken I don't think I can find it, but quite some time ago in this thread there was a video compilation posted of clips of transwomen acting in a manner which the term "womanface" is a charitable description of. It made ◊◊◊◊ like this seem normal in comparison.

 

[Ziggurat]

Given the context, it's weird that you added this irrelevant comment.

It's easier to see the relevance when you remember that he thinks transwomen are women.

 

[Rolfe]

They covered up for actual child rape, what's a little bathroom intrusion and casual death threats to them?

Excellent point.

 

[Agatha]

Human's are awful. Woman humans are awful too.

Humans, and then separately woman humans (hence the "too")? Could you make it any more obvious that for you, like many men, your default notion of humans = males?

 

[lionking]

Humans, and then separately woman humans (hence the "too")? Could you make it any more obvious that for you, like many men, your default notion of humans = males?

That’s it. It’s rare to find misogyny articulated so clearly.

 

[Rolfe]

Humans, and then separately woman humans (hence the "too")? Could you make it any more obvious that for you, like many men, your default notion of humans = males?

Language is interesting in this respect. So many languages don't actually have a specific word for the male person as opposed to the female one. English is one, in that "man" means both the entire species and the male of the species, depending on context. Gaelic is even weirder. The male was seen as the default human being and then another word was needed for these other ones that were different.

But actually I think he's going for one of the standard TRA arguments. Anything bad that a man has done (trans-identified or not), somewhere I can find a woman who has done something equally bad (or at least that I will claim is equally bad). Therefore the entire idea of sex-segregation for women's safety is pointless.

 

[zooterkin]

some

1. used to mean an amount of something without saying exactly how much or how…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Hope this helps...

But for clarification, clockwise from top left

1. Anthony Peers: a violent male who identifies as a transgender woman, was convicted in November 2024 at Liverpool Crown Court of two counts of rape, attempted rape, three charges of sexual assault and two offences of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. The Liverpool Echo noted that Peers’ crimes were so disturbing that the details were too graphic to publish.

3. Jason Hill: a manipulative male who identifies as transgender. Served a 4½ year jail term imposed on being convicted paedophilia charges. He pretended be a teenage girl on Facebook to lure underage boys for an that he could sexually abuse them, and groomed them to send explicit sexual images of themselves.

5. Andrew Fleming: a violent male who identifies as a transgender woman, was convicted at Newcastle Crown Court in March 2024 of harassment putting a person in fear of violence, and of assaulting an emergency worker. Fleming undertook a campaign of harrassment against a neighbour, banging in the door at all hours of the night, cul;n=minating in threats to kill.

6. Sean Smith: a transgender identifying male. Arrested on one count of felony voyeurism when he was caught taking pictures of women in a Target changing room. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prisons and a $3000 fine.

7. Martin Tarling: a male who identifies as a transgender woman. This one's a real charmer - charged with nine offences at South Tyneside Magistrates’ Court in December 2023. Four counts of dumping bags of toxic materials, namely nappies containing human waste, at nurseries on South Tyneside, contrary to the Environmental Protection Act. One count of outraging public decency, by behaving in an indecent manner, namely by being inside a bin containing the waste of children, including with soiled nappies and disclosed garments and interacting with the soiled nappies in sight of the public. One count of criminal damage by smearing excrement on milk bottles intended for consumption by small children’ and on other parts of a nursery building, including the fire escape. One count of intentionally or recklessly causing a public nuisance between October 2022 and November 2023 at South Tyneside, without reasonable excuse, by continuously dumping adult human waste and other materials on the street and at nursery premises and interfering with the contents of clinical waste bins containing faecal matter from children and babies, one count of theft of a roll of clinical waste bags from a local nursery. Two counts of breaching a criminal behaviour order imposed by Nottinghamshire Magistrates’ Court in April this year, by being within 10 metres of a nursery without reasonable excuse, and/or ‘by removing items from a waste receptacle in direct contravention of said order.

8. Christopher Worton: A violent male who identifies as a transwoman. Convicted of five counts of rape against a child aged between 13 and 15. On release, breaching his sexual harm prevention order by visiting a home in the city, while a child was there, and by possessing indecent images of a child.

IMO, 6 out of 8 qualifies as "some".

I'm aware of the meaning of 'some', thank you. But what's the logic in associating a comedian not known for committing any offences with other people who are not recognisable to the general public, but are criminal? Are they trying to insinuate he's also guilty?

 

[Mycroft]

Should Bryson be allowed to use the women's bathroom? It's a simple yes or no question. Why can't you answer?

I've answered your question. But I've got a new answer for you:

I reject the idea that Bryson represents all trans-people. Cherry-picking a scary trans-person and using them to represent all trans-people is bigoted fear-mongering and I will not participate in it.

I'm tired of this merry-go-round. That's the response you get verbatim every time you bring up Bryson or any other scary trans-person.

 

[Rolfe]

some

1. used to mean an amount of something without saying exactly how much or how…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Hope this helps...

But for clarification, clockwise from top left

1. Anthony Peers: a violent male who identifies as a transgender woman, was convicted in November 2024 at Liverpool Crown Court of two counts of rape, attempted rape, three charges of sexual assault and two offences of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. The Liverpool Echo noted that Peers’ crimes were so disturbing that the details were too graphic to publish.

3. Jason Hill: a manipulative male who identifies as transgender. Served a 4½ year jail term imposed on being convicted paedophilia charges. He pretended be a teenage girl on Facebook to lure underage boys for an that he could sexually abuse them, and groomed them to send explicit sexual images of themselves.

5. Andrew Fleming: a violent male who identifies as a transgender woman, was convicted at Newcastle Crown Court in March 2024 of harassment putting a person in fear of violence, and of assaulting an emergency worker. Fleming undertook a campaign of harrassment against a neighbour, banging in the door at all hours of the night, cul;n=minating in threats to kill.

6. Sean Smith: a transgender identifying male. Arrested on one count of felony voyeurism when he was caught taking pictures of women in a Target changing room. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prisons and a $3000 fine.

7. Martin Tarling: a male who identifies as a transgender woman. This one's a real charmer - charged with nine offences at South Tyneside Magistrates’ Court in December 2023. Four counts of dumping bags of toxic materials, namely nappies containing human waste, at nurseries on South Tyneside, contrary to the Environmental Protection Act. One count of outraging public decency, by behaving in an indecent manner, namely by being inside a bin containing the waste of children, including with soiled nappies and disclosed garments and interacting with the soiled nappies in sight of the public. One count of criminal damage by smearing excrement on milk bottles intended for consumption by small children’ and on other parts of a nursery building, including the fire escape. One count of intentionally or recklessly causing a public nuisance between October 2022 and November 2023 at South Tyneside, without reasonable excuse, by continuously dumping adult human waste and other materials on the street and at nursery premises and interfering with the contents of clinical waste bins containing faecal matter from children and babies, one count of theft of a roll of clinical waste bags from a local nursery. Two counts of breaching a criminal behaviour order imposed by Nottinghamshire Magistrates’ Court in April this year, by being within 10 metres of a nursery without reasonable excuse, and/or ‘by removing items from a waste receptacle in direct contravention of said order.

8. Christopher Worton: A violent male who identifies as a transwoman. Convicted of five counts of rape against a child aged between 13 and 15. On release, breaching his sexual harm prevention order by visiting a home in the city, while a child was there, and by possessing indecent images of a child.

IMO, 6 out of 8 qualifies as "some".

Most of these I am barely aware of. I could fill your checkerboard all over again with entirely different characters, ALL of them convicted sex offenders. And then I could possibly wipe it and do it all over again. (Izzard is just a creep, queuing in the women's toilet with his hand under his coat doing something very questionable-looking.)

Cherry-picking? On a planet of 8 million people or whatever it is, any collection of individuals put together from news reports and so on can be dismissed as insignificant, a mere rounding error. No matter what we're talking about. And it's never going to be possible to collect reliable statistics on what proportion of trans-identifying men are sex offenders. All we can say with confidence is that when we examine prison populations together with census data, trans-identifying men are up to 5 times more likely to be imprisoned for sexual assault than other men.

There are enough deeply creepy, perverted and downright sex-criminal men who identify as trans for multiple reports to be easily found. Reduxx magazine has numerous articles. There are web sites collecting them. Every one can be dismissed as a "juicy cherry" and every collection can be dismissed as just a bunch of cherries. But these men actually exist. Allowing trans-identified men to use women's facilities as a legal right (and remember that will include showers, changing rooms and sleeping accommodation as well as toilets) allows these men in. And others who just haven't been caught yet. As well as any other pervy man who is prepared to claim trans status if challenged.

We're being told that we have to put up with this, because there are some trans-identifying men who are not sex offenders. They will be sad if they're told to use the men's facilities, and we can't have them feeling sad, can we? Move over, ladies.

No. The modesty, dignity, comfort, and yes on occasion safety of 51% of the human race is more important than a tiny number of men feeling a bit uncomfortable around other men (who won't be looking at them anyway). Women are not human shields for mentally ill men.

 

[Mycroft]

Tell that to someone who didn't spend her childhood being sexually abused by her own father.

I'm very sorry you had that experience, but I don't see how it applies here.

 

[Mycroft]

You don't think a refusal to use a private unisex space, instead insisting that you, as a male, must be granted the right to go into the female-only space despite the objections of many of the women there, might be even a tiny bit hateful?

Against the objections of all three of them?

I think when trans-people are being accused of thought-crimes, such as wanting to use the bathroom to "get their jollies" is hateful. I think anytime you have to assume what a person is thinking you're on thin ice.

 

[d4m10n]

Woman humans are awful too.

Aliens abduct 100,000 convicted sex offenders, none of whom were wrongly convicted (these specific aliens can extract episodic memory with relative ease) for the sake of a large-scale experiment in humane reeducation.

How many would you guess are female?

 

[Mycroft]

No, it's hard for me to define because you refuse to answer simple and direct questions. Even now you continue to refuse to do so.

Yes, I'm refusing to be bullied into having the conversation you want.

I refuse to accept your paradigms as my own. I refuse to accept only your definitions. I refuse to allow you to force my ideas into a box of your making, so you can take me down a path of your choosing, to a conclusion of your liking. I see your path and I see your conclusion, but I also see an entire landscape of ideas worth exploring.

I'm not riding this carousel with you any longer. If you're not willing to have a dialogue where I'm allowed to explore ideas I want to bring, then we won't have a dialogue at all.

 

[Mycroft]

In a statement to Los Angeles about this weekend's incident, Wi Spa points to California Civil Code 51 (b), which makes discriminating against trans and other gender non-conforming people in business establishments illegal in the state.​

https://lamag.com/featured/wi-spa-video

This law didn't stop the police from taking statements and prosecuting this person, did it?

 

[Thermal]

Is Bryson an oppressor or is he oppressed?

And before you try the crap you just tried, I'm not talking about transwomen as a whole. I'm only talking about Bryson, no one else. Just him. How do we describe him and only him.

I'll take a crack at it. Bryson is an anomaly, an outlier in the opressed/oppressor dichotomy. He's a convicted rapist, like one of any gender. He is an oppressor in that much more eclipsing context, not in that of being trans or not.

The important thing about Bryson is that he commited his crimes while identifying as a male. He had a sudden case of Jailhouse Re-Identification, which the prison didn't even buy (per the Wikipedia page).

So whether he is oppressed or oppressor has little to do with his gender ID. You might as well ask if a murderer was oppressed because he was previously bullied for being short. The more trivial classification means little in the face of his monstrous behaviors that classify him in Team Oppressor no matter what other groups he belongs to.

Should a child rapist of any gender be allowed in any public restroom? Should a rapist be allowed to walk on dark streets alone?

 

[Mycroft]

With the forum search function broken I don't think I can find it, but quite some time ago in this thread there was a video compilation posted of clips of transwomen acting in a manner which the term "womanface" is a charitable description of. It made ◊◊◊◊ like this seem normal in comparison.

Trans-people touch on a very primal taboo. One just isn't allowed to blur gender lines, much less cross them entirely.

If they look weird they can be hated, amiright?

 

[Ziggurat]

The important thing about Bryson is that he commited his crimes while identifying as a male. He had a sudden case of Jailhouse Re-Identification, which the prison didn't even buy (per the Wikipedia page).

Why is that important? The prison might not have bought it, but under self ID (which the UK now seems to be pulling back from), that doesn't matter, he's still trans because he says he's trans. Would it really make any difference if he started identifying as trans before he started raping? Why?

Should a child rapist of any gender be allowed in any public restroom? Should a rapist be allowed to walk on dark streets alone?

After they have served their sentence, they have to be. But we can still insist that as a male, Bryson has to use the men's bathroom.