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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Thermal said:
How? Telekinesis? If you don't have force of law, you have nothing.
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Remember several pages back when I mentioned that in general, females cannot overpower males? That as much as it sucks, we're largely at the mercy of males? Do you remember how you scoffed at that, and basically put me down because females should be trained to fight back?

And yet here you are, acknowledging that females cannot force males to do anything against their will.

Seriously, you're leaning more and more toward a position where females should just know our place and let the males do whatever the ◊◊◊◊ they want.
 
Thermal said:
No, they are asking to be treated just like other women who also identify as women. It's y'alls team that is nasty about it, rubbing it in their faces that they are males. They got enough problems without that extra gratuitous salt rubbed in the wounds.
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Get this into your head. We do not "identify" as women. We simply are women, because we were born that way. We don't get a say in it.

I have no problem at all identifying a male as a male when he is deliberately breaking women's boundaries. It's the person breaking the boundaries that's the nasty one in this situation. And you know what? Everybody's got problems. Women perhaps especially so. Problems that require male-free spaces. Non-nasty men understand that.
 
Emily's Cat said:
So the feelings of a special set of males is paramount, and everyone must care about their feelings... but the feelings of females can totally just be ignored, because they're being bigoted against males? Are you ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ serious right now?
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Yes, apparently he is. He has repeatedly made it clear that in his world, men who want to be women must have their feelings indulged to the nth degree, while all women's feelings, if they aren't in agreement with this, are bigotry and hate and may legitimately be disregarded. And he's doubling down and digging in.

I think he has realised that it is not possible to give everyone what they want, therefore he chooses to give the men what they want.
 
Thermal said:
We don't have such clarity. That's why we have so many stories about transwomen in women's prisons, and Lia Thomas, and transwomen walking into women's bathrooms coast to coast with protection of law.

Seriously, you missed all that?
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We're trying our damnedest to get it.

Will you support us getting that clarity?
 
Thermal said:
No, they are asking to be treated just like other women who also identify as women.
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They aren't "other women". They aren't women at all. And yeah, sometimes members of one group want to be treated as if they were members of another group. That alone doesn't suffice to actually do so.
Thermal said:
It's y'alls team that is nasty about it, rubbing it in their face that they are males.
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When transwomen on Twitter are telling women to "suck my lady dick", who exactly is rubbing whose maleness in whose face?
 
Emily's Cat said:
So the feelings of a special set of males is paramount, and everyone must care about their feelings... but the feelings of females can totally just be ignored, because they're being bigoted against males? Are you ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ serious right now?
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EC, you can read. Bigotry AND/OR discrimination. You know what 'and/ or' means and I'm not going to pretend you don't.
 
Thermal said:
EC, you can read. Bigotry AND/OR discrimination. You know what 'and/ or' means and I'm not going to pretend you don't.
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Your arguments always boil down to opposition to any sex segregation at all. We have seen that time and time again, and this is just the latest.
 
Ziggurat said:
They aren't "other women". They aren't women at all. And yeah, sometimes members of one group want to be treated as if they were members of another group. That alone doesn't suffice to actually do so.

When transwomen on Twitter are telling women to "suck my lady dick", who exactly is rubbing whose maleness in whose face?
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These are the people Thermal believes are the underdogs who should be supported to stamp on women's faces.

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Emily's Cat said:
Remember several pages back when I mentioned that in general, females cannot overpower males? That as much as it sucks, we're largely at the mercy of males? Do you remember how you scoffed at that, and basically put me down because females should be trained to fight back?
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No, I don't, because that didn't happen. What is with you today?
Emily's Cat said:
And yet here you are, acknowledging that females cannot force males to do anything against their will.
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They dont need to physically fight if they have force of law behind them, and if they have the physical force it don't ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ matter what the law is.
Emily's Cat said:
Seriously, you're leaning more and more toward a position where females should just know our place and let the males do whatever the ◊◊◊◊ they want.
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Nowhere near that, and if you shoveled all that straw aside, you'd know that.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Your arguments always boil down to opposition to any sex segregation at all. We have seen that time and time again, and this is just the latest.
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No they don't, and at this point I'm noticing my bag of Troll Chow is just about empty.

I've said a dozen times that we need to clarify sex segregation versus gender discrimination line, not oppose sex segregation.
 
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Ziggurat said:
No, D3 was.
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What? D3 assumes that the trespasser would have been given permission by the owner of the property. D2 says that in a place of public accommodation and acting within law, you are not trespassing.

There is no credible way for you to feign misunderstanding.
 
Thermal said:
No they don't,
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You say that, but the logic is absolutely indistinguishable from an argument against any sex segregation.

Which means either you're lying about supporting sex segregation, you're lying about believing your argument, or you don't even understand the logic of your own argument. I'm going with option 3, because it's the most charitable, and it comports with your inability to recognize how other arguments you've made are internally inconsistent or don't line up with the fact in play.
 
Thermal said:
I've said a dozen times that we need to clarify sex segregation versus gender discrimination line, not oppose sex segregation.
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Well, it's really easy from where I'm standing.

Areas like bathrooms, sleeping accommodation, changing rooms and so on (including prisons), and sporting events, are segregated by sex.

People having the protected category of gender reassignment are protected against discrimination in areas such as employment, housing and so on. They may not be treated less favourably than someone else of their own sex by reason of their self-declared gender identity.
 
Thermal said:
What? D3 assumes that the trespasser would have been given permission by the owner of the property.
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No. D3 assumes the trespasser thought they had permission (which doesn't have to be individually given). In other words, an honest mistake isn't a criminal offense.
Thermal said:
D2 says that in a place of public accommodation and acting within law, you are not trespassing.
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Only if you also abide by whatever conditions there are on access. If you're not the right sex, you aren't abiding by a condition which requires that sex. Just like "no shirt, no shoes, no service" means you can get kicked out of public accommodation for not wearing shoes.
Thermal said:
There is no credible way for you to feign misunderstanding.
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I'm not feigning misunderstanding, I'm just better at reading than you are.
 
As someone on Twitter just observed, the most dangerous moment in a woman's life is when she stands up to an abusive man. I think we're seeing that at the moment.
 
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