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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

Here's the view of the cottage. Filomena's window can clearly be seen from the road by oncoming traffic.

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Source: https://www.themurderofmeredithkercher.net/docupl/filelibrary/images/perugia/cottage/cottage-012.jpg
Unless the cars are driving 20 feet above the roadway, all this photo does is show you the cottage, NOT what a car driving by would see. Stacy's photos are much better at (1) showing what the actual view would be and (2) showing that headlights do NOT light up Filomena's window.
 
Google lens informs me that the guy in your pic only got to 20ft before falling...on top of a policeman.


ETA: You completely missed the point about leverage. Once the guy gets to the top of the wall he has leverage to hoist himself over it. But a very narrow window ledge won't give him leverage to pull himself up at shoulder level up and in, especially not with two sets of shutters blocking him out, outer and inner.

Do you think this lawyer here at the scene of the crime had any luck getting any further?

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Vixen, I don't know about you but when I was Guede's age (at the time of the murder), I would have had no problem with this climb. First, Guede would have easily been able to reach in through the break in the glass and unlatch the window and open it, so he didn't have to climb through a hole and risk cutting his jugular (which, BTW, was a ridiculous comment, but I think you know that already). Second, I am quite certain someone with even mediocre athletic skills would be able to push off from the top rung of the security grate while pulling himself up from the sill, get a foot on the sill and climb in. You people have spent 18 years trying to turn this into climbing Mt Everest, but in truth it really was not that difficult, and it seems rather silly, after all this time, to keep repeating the claim as if that makes it true.
 
If the interior shutters were closed, was the rock and all the broken glass found outside?
<edit to add> I'm asking because I don't know and search is broken. I avoided this thread for many years because the topic was just too painful; I was working with Meredith's brother when this happened. So there are a lot of questions-asked-a-thousand-times which I don't know about.


Glass was not found outside and the rock - weighing 4kg - was found under a chair in Filomena's room. I have dumb bells at 4kg each. Whilst my daily workout with them is easy enough, I would have trouble throwing one of them very far. This excellent power point here, by Kermit and James Raper, explains why the window burglary was rejected by the courts, including pictures of very tall defence guy Delfo whom the defence brought in and even he had to abandon it.

Powerpoints #8: Why Forced Entry Via Filomena’s Window Was Totally IMPOSSIBLE​


Click here if you have (1) Windows MS Office or Powerpoint Viewer (downloadable here), or (2) Apple Mac iWorks Keynote or Apache OpenOffice.

Context​

One of the more bizarre dog-and-pony shows in recent months was a failed defense attempt by a climber to show that a killer could have entered by Filomena’s window.

He failed to pull himself all the way up, not leaving any marks on the ground or the wall, to be in a position to open the window and climb through it without disturbing the broken glass or cutting himself on it.

Actually doing all that is QUITE IMPOSSIBLE for a reason that too few understand. The problem is not in the climb. It is in what MUST happen next. TJMK
 
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Well, there are now bars on the upper windows, so your speculative comment can't be proven one way or the other. If I were in the same height and position as Ricardo and Delfo Beretti in the photograph, I'd fancy my chances of getting in.


Do have a look at the power point above, Delfo gave up, and he was head and shoulders taller than anybody else.

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Not really because the guy says 'the window is three point five metres above the ground' but he doesn't make clear that the very bottom of the window is actually closer to four metres (3.78m according to the scientific police photo I posted). This converts to 12.40157 feet.

0.40157 converts to 5" rounded, = 12'5". This is almost a foot higher than 11'6". If the narrator wants people to think he is taking the centre point of the window as the '3.5m above the ground' then he has lobbed off a metre or so. If he was rounding, he should have rounded to the nearest metre, which is 4m.

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And note how the shutters are wide open. Our intrepid rock climbing 'enthusiast' (professional?) wasn't confident about having them shut, as would have faced Guede?


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Huh? You claimed there was a whole meter difference between what the video claimed and the actual height. Numbers did the conversion to show the difference between 3.5 meters and 3.78 meters is about one foot. So why then did you start this comment off by saying "Not really...", only to do the conversion yourself and coming to the same conclusion, that the actual height is almost a foot higher than 3.5 meters.

So please explain how almost a foot is the same thing as "a whole extra meter"?

For the record, the narrator never suggests he's talking about the center point of the window, he only says the height of the window is 3.5 meters.
 
Vixen, I don't know about you but when I was Guede's age (at the time of the murder), I would have had no problem with this climb. First, Guede would have easily been able to reach in through the break in the glass and unlatch the window and open it, so he didn't have to climb through a hole and risk cutting his jugular (which, BTW, was a ridiculous comment, but I think you know that already). Second, I am quite certain someone with even mediocre athletic skills would be able to push off from the top rung of the security grate while pulling himself up from the sill, get a foot on the sill and climb in. You people have spent 18 years trying to turn this into climbing Mt Everest, but in truth it really was not that difficult, and it seems rather silly, after all this time, to keep repeating the claim as if that makes it true.


Yes but you are not getting that:

  • you first need to jump down nine feet of railings/wall without injury to your knees, ankles or breaking your feet (of which therre is a real risk)
  • or, go all the way around the back of the house, where there are at least five easier entry points, including a low balcony nearby the guys' door, completely out of sight of the road, and which Guede had visited at least twice as a friend.
  • If you were doing a parkour type wall climb, you need to back away about six feet in order to run at the wall and leap up it, and this assumes a wall hold at the top for you to leverage yourself up. The area beneath Filomena's window doesn't have a running space for a parkour leap, the railings don't really give you a foot hold other than to let you stand with your face uselessly looking at the wall and your arms with little to grip but a narrow window ledge.
  • The NBA average reach (arms above your head in basketball) is 28". So if Guede is 5'11" then that gives him a further footage to 8'3" [corr], he needs another yard (I think the old yard is based on the length of a man's forearm, and a hand being a man's palm of 4") but even Delfo here, a good 8" taller, only got up to shoulder height, with his feet stuck in the window frame below. 1745158827638.png
  • Once you are at the window ledge you can't get in through the broken glass without pushing some of the broken glass shards down, or risk cutting your palms or fingers when leveraging up with your shoulders and elbows.
  • No glass was found on the ground below.
  • There was no sign of any disturbed foliage on the ground below, despite a prior damp spell.
  • There were no signs of mud or leaves or shoe skid marks on the wall.
  • A nail protruding from the wall remained intact.
  • A small boulder of 4kg from a distance of six feet would have had the velocity to take out more than half the window, it would smash it completely.
 
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Huh? You claimed there was a whole meter difference between what the video claimed and the actual height. Numbers did the conversion to show the difference between 3.5 meters and 3.78 meters is about one foot. So why then did you start this comment off by saying "Not really...", only to do the conversion yourself and coming to the same conclusion, that the actual height is almost a foot higher than 3.5 meters.

So please explain how almost a foot is the same thing as "a whole extra meter"?

For the record, the narrator never suggests he's talking about the center point of the window, he only says the height of the window is 3.5 meters.
Because 3.78 metres is only up to the bottom ledge of the window. The true height of the window is surely up to its mid-point because that is roughly how high you would need to climb to get in. Thus, we can allow for another two or three feet (up to an extra metre) to the 3,78m mark.


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What part of what I said or the videos leads you to (incorrectly) infer that?

ETA: Did you think it would go unnoticed that you failed to address the actual topic: the photos show car headlights did NOT illuminate FR's window.


Here is a picture of how easy it is for someone from the roadside to see Filomena's window.

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Source: Kermit/Raper
 
Unfortunately, the police stated there was glass only ON TOP scattered items but Filomena testified she saw glass both on top AND UNDER items. Maybe Filomena is also 'bent', 'paid off', or just trying to help a couple kids in a sticky situation like Luca and Jovana did for them?

The forensic police did NOT conclude any such thing as they never did any forensic tests on the glass. They assumed facts not proven. Forensic ballistic expert Pasquale proved the rock came from outside, not inside, as the police insisted.

Hellmann-Zanetti did NOT find there was a staged burglary at all. They found it was authentic.

Marasca-Bruno found Knox and Sollecito not quilty of staging the burglary even though the court had to accept the judicial/legal fact that it was staged as it was confirmed as such by the 2010 Giordano SC in Guede's case.

You refer to legal/judicial facts because the actual facts don't support your narrative.


LOL. It was never identified as belonging to Knox. You know that so it's just a blatant lie.

No, it doesn't. Or are you claiming those papers were taken from Filomena's room into Kercher's room? Notice one is in English with Semester 2 classes listed. Those were Kercher's. They could have landed on the duvet as Guede was looking through Kercher's purse and pulling out her wallet, or as previously stated, a gust of air knocked them off her nightstand onto the duvet.

Um...there wasn't even a need to stage a burglary as Knox reported the door standing wide open when she arrived, Kercher was founded sexually assaulted, murdered, and her two phones, wallet, and rent money were all stolen thus indicating a freaking burglary had taken place. Even Mignini and the Perugia Keystone Cops could have figured that one out.


So, Vixen, there was no motive for Knox to tell the police anything about Lumumba until THEY decided he was involved per Ficarra's testimony and De Felice's statement. If she wanted to pin it on him, then WHY did she retract her statements so quickly?

Still waiting for any evidence that Kercher was lying on a sheet used to move her body or of the defense having "doctored" the climbing video. Either produce them or just admit you can't.


Hellmann-Zanetti's report was sent back down to the Nencini Appeal Court by Chieffi Supreme Court, who did conclude the buglary was staged, as did Giordano for Guede. Michelli ruled that Guede would have no motive to return to the murder scene after having fled. We know someone came back and tampered with the body because it had been moved away from the wardrobe (sorry, not towards it) - BTW underneath the body was a pillow, a blue top, one trainer shoe and a bedsheet - so it is interesting Knox knew before the investigating police that the body was at the wardrobe, as she revealed to all at the Questura, and you can't claim 'Altieri told her', this time. In addition, her bra was removed sometime after her death. This could be seen forensically from the blood aspirations, which were on the discarded garment by the body but not on her chest where the aspirated spots of blood should have been were she still wearing the bra when she was murdered. (Blood dries very quickly.) One bra strap, likewise, was covered in blood but was away from the body. In other words her body was tampered with and positioned some time after death, and as argued by Michelli as an established fact proven by the prosecution as indicating a staging to scream a message to police of 'an impromptu rape as a result of a burglary gone wrong'. In addition the sheer number of knife flicks and injuries on the body indicates someone having a perverse pleasure in tormenting the young woman before death, who did not die until some agonising ten to fifteen minutes later.

The prosecution recreated three different scenarios in closed court of which it could be shown to have been the work of at least three persons.

The careful staging and later moving of the body shows it to be anything other than an impulsive raping and fleeing.

As for some of the glass being on the floor, as Filomena's clothing wasn't completely covering the floor, of course some would be. Her laptop, expensive sunglasses and camera were untouched. Filomena Romanelli testified in court that her laptop was covered in glass. So the window smashing happened after the 'ransacking' and strangely, she discovered it was fried after being ordered to bring it to the police station...as were Knox' and Kercher's laptops. So some IT/computer nerd managed to fry all three laptops. Would that have been 'drifter' Guede, who worked as a sometime waiter, or is it more likely someone with plenty of time, such as a fourth year Computer Sciences student..?

Enquiring minds need to know.


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Glass was not found outside and the rock - weighing 4kg - was found under a chair in Filomena's room.
Thank you.

So in nobody's version of the story is the thrown rock stopped by a closed shutter. Why then does anyone argue a closed shutter would have been an obstacle to climbing in?
 
Re the video on youtube, we don't see him jumping down nine feet (ouch!) over the car park rail - it cuts out very quickly, why?

A comment left by a viewer says:

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@jeffreysmith4601

9 years ago
Embarrassingly, someone else had to point this out to me: the video never shows the climber actually climbing up to the window. It shows him trying to pull himself up while his feet are slipping on the wall and then there's a gap and then the video resumes with the climber stepping onto the window sill. The gap makes it obvious that several different videos were spliced together, so we have no idea of whether the climber actually climbed up to the window in a single attempt (and if he had, there would be no reason to splice together several videos).What I did not need anyone to point out to me is that all the subsequent activity takes place without showing the climber's feet. We have no idea of what he is standing on when he "demonstrates" how it would be possible to climb up while the shutters are closed."
Same dishonest attempt to spread FUD about the video as you made. What's "obvious" is that they were shooting with two cameras, and that during the climb, they cut from the closer camera to the farther one, and then back to the closer.

And Peter Quennell comments:

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@peterquennellnyc

5 years ago
1. Shame on Riccardo Panella for using the “new” bars, which were put there after the two break-ins in 2009. 2. Shame on Riccardo Panella for using special climbing boots totally unlike the sneakers Guede had on on the night. 3. Shame on Riccardo Panella for not showing us how many times he practiced the climb, and for not showing the entire climb in one take. 4. Shame on Riccardo Panella for starting with the shutters wide open when on the night they were stiff and forced almost fully closed. 5. Shame on Riccardo Panella for not trying to open the glass windows, jammed shut with the locked catch well away from the hole in the glass. 6. Shame on Riccardo Panella for not covering the windowsill with glass; he says he’d have to move the glass, not done on the break-in night. 7. Shame on Riccardo Panella for not ensuring the ground below was damp, and then checking the wall for any new marks. 8. Shame on Riccardo Panella for not showing he had left zero footprints in the soft ground below the window. 9. Shame on Riccardo Panella for not trying this at night when that area would be as bright as day and obvious to anyone on the street above. 10. Shame on Riccardo Panella for not trying the much easier way to break in, via the balcony around the corner - in the dark."
This is just asinine. It reminds me a lot of the conspiracy theorists who attempt to reject recreations of Oswald's shooting of JFK by claiming that the shooter and the conditions didn't perfectly match Oswald and the conditions in Dallas on November 22, 1963. ("The shooter must have a reputation for being uncoordinated; the shooter must not have had any recent target practice; etc.). Further, as I mentioned, Panella appears to be wearing running shoes ("trainers"). Unless you can provide some credible evidence to the contrary, I'm going to assume that Quennell just pulled this out of an orifice, like so much other guilter crap.

And one more abbreviated comment:

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@thetooginator153

"4 years ago
I’m the same height as Rudy Guede and I have experience rock climbing. Only a VERY experienced (and brave) rock climber would do that jump from the lower window to the upper window.No, it’s not impossible, but it would require either a LOT of skill or a LOT of practice. There was nothing to grab on to once the guy gets to the upper window except the shutters (which are on hinges, so, not a great choice). <snip>
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There's no "jump." This is, again, something pulled out of an orifice by guilters in order to make the climb seem more difficult and dangerous. Further, as has been explained, assuming the shutter nearer the road hadn't been left open, Guede could have opened it before he started climbing by standing on the planter under the roof overhang and leaning out to reach it; the distance was only a few feet. Finally, there's no reason to accept that a) this person is who s/he claims s/he is, and b) this person's opinion carries as much weight as that of the person who actually made the climb.

Video here:


In addition, an excellent comment by Harry Rag quoting from Supreme Court Judge, Chieffi's report (legal conclusion):

@mrharryrag

5 years ago
"Judge Chieffi explained why it’s an indisputable fact that the break-in at the cottage was staged in that Supreme Court report.The conclusion that the crime had been simulated was based on a series of facts with a high level of probative value constituting a valid inferential basis, on the strength of which the first instance statement of reasons produced a logical dissertation (pages 35‐42) anchored in the facts that:"
Even ignoring the issues of Rag's hyperbole, Chieffi made several clear logical errors.

(1) nothing (not even jewellery or the computer) was missing from Romanelli’s room, which was the focal point;
First, Romanelli's room was Guede's entry point to the cottage. There is no reason to assume that he had any special interest in it, or, indeed, that he even knew whose room it was. Second, if Guede stole Romanelli's drugs, she wouldn't have told the police. Third, Guede could have planned to come back, but was interrupted by Kercher. Finally, if the burglary was staged, why didn't Knox and Sollecito take anything??

(2) there was no evidence of climbing on the outside wall of the house over the distance of 3.5 meters from the ground to the window through which the phantom burglar supposedly entered, nor was there any trace of trampling on the grass on the ground underneath the window;
First, there is one photo that shows possible evidence. Second, the ground right under the window was relatively dry, and covered with leaves, so there's no reason to assume that Guede would have left footprints. Finally, it is possible that Guede climbed from the aforementioned planter onto the top of the lower window, although this is probably not the best way to do it it. But it is possible.

(3) there were no traces of the blood of the climber on the window sill, which he would have had to grip among the glass shards in order to sneak inside the room;
This totally ignores the possibility that Guede was wearing gloves. Why you (and Chieffi) believe that a burglar wouldn't wear gloves is beyond me.

(4) the glass shards were found on the inside but not on the outside of the window, a sign that the rock was thrown with the outside shutters closed, forming a shield that prevented pieces of glass from spraying to the outside;
That's not how physics works. There is no way that a rock flying in through a window can impart outward acceleration to anything it strikes. It is possible, in certain scenarios, for glass to end up outside (e.g., a shard strikes something with enough force to bounce off and out through the window), but that is never guaranteed, or even necessarily likely, to happen.

(5) the shards were found in abundance on top of the clothes and objects ransacked by the alleged intruder, proving that this ransacking had occurred before the window was broken;
Shards were not found "in abundance." At least some of what is taken for "ransacking" could have been clothes disturbed by the rock's hitting the wardrobe, which was right by the window, or Guede when he climbed in, and the shards could have fallen from Guede's clothes onto objects in the room, or been dislodge by him as he climbed in.

(6) the sound of the rock, hypothetically thrown from the ground, had not startled the young English woman so as to make her call for help outside the house before being attacked (given the lapse of time between the throwing the stone and the climbing up the wall).
This assumes that Kercher was home when the rock was thrown. She could have returned afterwards. Guede used the toilet, so he was clearly in the apartment for some time. If he heard her come in while he was in the bathroom, that would also explain why he neglected to flush. Further, even if Kercher was home, she might not have heard the rock. Recall that Knox's bedroom was between Romanelli's and Kercher's; further, Kercher could have been listening to music or watching a video.

(Judge Chieffi’s Supreme Court report, pages 63-64).Judge Chieffi also noted that the trail of Rudy Guede’s didn’t go into Filomena’s room because his bloody shoeprints led straight from Meredith’s room and out of the cottage....asserted that the bloody shoeprints of the aforementioned [Rudy Guede] indicated the path he took from the unfortunate Meredith’s room to the main door of the house without going into Romanelli’s room, given that ‐ as was previously stated ‐ the traces of blood of the victim mark the path taken by Guede without any deviation. (Judge Chieffi’s Supreme Court report, page 64)
It's perfectly possible that even if Rudy had originally intended to go back and steal things from Romanelli's room, he abandoned that plan after he killed Kercher. There are several reasons why he might have done this: for example, because he was in a hurry to leave, or because he didn't want to take anything that could connect him to the cottage.

I hope that clears it up..
No. To quote @JayUtah, "You are not the teacher here."

Finally, Vixen, I have a direct question for you, which I will continue to pose until you give a satisfactory answer, or admit that you can't. How is it that, in October, Guede had been caught with a laptop and a mobile phone that had been stolen in a burglary in which a window four meters above ground had been broken with a rock? Was that just an astonishing coincidence??
 
Glass was not found outside and the rock - weighing 4kg - was found under a chair in Filomena's room. I have dumb bells at 4kg each. Whilst my daily workout with them is easy enough, I would have trouble throwing one of them very far. This excellent power point here, by Kermit and James Raper, explains why the window burglary was rejected by the courts, including pictures of very tall defence guy Delfo whom the defence brought in and even he had to abandon it.
Yes but you are not getting that:

  • you first need to jump down nine feet of railings/wall without injury to your knees, ankles or breaking your feet (of which therre is a real risk)
  • or, go all the way around the back of the house, where there are at least five easier entry points, including a low balcony nearby the guys' door, completely out of sight of the road, and which Guede had visited at least twice as a friend.
  • If you were doing a parkour type wall climb, you need to back away about six feet in order to run at the wall and leap up it, and this assumes a wall hold at the top for you to leverage yourself up. The area beneath Filomena's window doesn't have a running space for a parkour leap, the railings don't really give you a foot hold other than to let you stand with your face uselessly looking at the wall and your arms with little to grip but a narrow window ledge.
  • The NBA average reach (arms above your head in basketball) is 28". So if Guede is 5'11" then that gives him a further footage to 8'3" [corr], he needs another yard (I think the old yard is based on the length of a man's forearm, and a hand being a man's palm of 4") but even Delfo here, a good 8" taller, only got up to shoulder height, with his feet stuck in the window frame below. View attachment 60220
  • Once you are at the window ledge you can't get in through the broken glass without pushing some of the broken glass shards down, or risk cutting your palms or fingers when leveraging up with your shoulders and elbows.
  • No glass was found on the ground below.
  • There was no sign of any disturbed foliage on the ground below, despite a prior damp spell.
  • There were no signs of mud or leaves or shoe skid marks on the wall.
  • A nail protruding from the wall remained intact.
  • A small boulder of 4kg from a distance of six feet would have had the velocity to take out more than half the window, it would smash it completely.
  • Why? It would take 15 seconds to walk around the cottage without jumping down.
  • All of those points had security bars. The kitchen window and glass french doors did not, but he'd have to climb up to the balcony first, exposing him to those on the street and, if someone were home, no easy escape route. And BTW, the balcony was not "low".
  • A parkour type climb was not required. Getting up on the security grate on the window below Filomena's was easily done without jumping.
  • This comment makes no sense. And Delfo is only at shoulder height because he hasn't stood up on the top rung yet.
  • All he had to do was reach in through the hole in the window and unlatch it, swing the window open and climb in. There was a large portion of window ledge with no glass on it at all.
  • No thorough search was made either. Glass falling into grass and other material would be difficult to locate without a concerted effort.
  • Why would there be damage. The area wasn't looked at for more than 18 hours after he made the climb - more than enough time for anything that got stepped on to perk back up again.
  • Nor is there any reason for anything to be left on the wall.
  • So the nail remained intact. That only proves he didn't kick or step on it while he climbed. As the climb was easy, it wasn't necessary.
  • Now your speculating, without fact. I've seen multiple recreations and the rock punches a hole through the window.
 
Because 3.78 metres is only up to the bottom ledge of the window. The true height of the window is surely up to its mid-point because that is roughly how high you would need to climb to get in. Thus, we can allow for another two or three feet (up to an extra metre) to the 3,78m mark.


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You were arguing that the 3.5 meter estimate was a whole meter less than reality, yet the 3.78 meter measurement is to the window sill, not to the mid-point of the window.
 
Thank you.

So in nobody's version of the story is the thrown rock stopped by a closed shutter. Why then does anyone argue a closed shutter would have been an obstacle to climbing in?


As Filomena said she closed the shutters before going off for the weekend, then whoever wanted to smash the window from the outside would need to first climb up and open the outer shutters in order to make the window accessible to smash. Then return to ground level or carpark level to lob the rock at the glass. As there were also shutters inside the room the glass when smashed would surely fall outwards to the ground below and on to the sill. As it is, the rock thrown from indoors - as tested and proven by the prosecution, bounced off the closed outer shutters and rolled back in under a chair where it was found.

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Source@ Kermit/Raper
 
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So there is indeed no version of the story where Guede threw the rock through the window then climbed up and found the interior shutters closed.

So claiming that they would have been an obstacle to him is obviously false.
 
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As Filomena said she closed the shutters before going off for the weekend, then whoever wanted to smash the window from the outside would need to first climb up and open the outer shutters in order to make the window accessible to smash. Then return to ground level or carpark level to lob the rock at the glass. As there were also shutters inside the room the glass when smashed would surely fall outwards to the ground below and on to the sill. As it is, the rock thrown from indoors - as tested and proven by the prosecution, bounced off the closed outer shutters and rolled back in under a chair where it was found.

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The interior shutter is for privacy, not security. Once the outside shutters were opened up, the rock crashes through the window, striking the interior shutter, causing it to swing open as glass flies into the room and the rock falls to the bedroom floor.

Exactly how did the prosecution "prove" the rock was thrown from indoors? There was NO damage to the interior side of the exterior shutter, although there should have been if the rock was thrown as you suggest.

ETA: I forgot the most important part... the damage done to the exterior facing side of the interior wood shutter, including damage to the wood consistent with the rock hitting it, as well as embedded glass. This could ONLY happen if the rock broke the window before striking the interior shutter, which proves the rock was thrown outside in, not the other way around.
 
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Er, the difference between 6'2" and 5'10" is four inches, rounded up from the equivalent centimetres.

According to the above site, Rudy Hermann Guede is an Ivorian-Italian basketball player born in 1986. He is a 5'11" guard* who most recently played for a team in the Italian C2 league.

* Two of the 5 traditional positions on a basketball team are called "guards".

184 centimeters, Panella's height (according to posters here) is equal to 72.441 inches. There are 12 inches in 1 foot. 72.441/12 = 6.037 feet, which is essentially 6 feet and certainly not 6 feet 2 inches. (2 inches = 1/6 foot = 0.1666 feet, to 4 decimal places.) Note that 6'0" - 5'11" = 1" (where ' indicates feet and " indicates inches).

Vixen, your post is either intentionally false or there is a significant problem with your arithmetic.
 
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"I cannot lie. I was there. " ~ Knox wiretap talking to her mother Edda in private.
Even granting, arguendo, that she was referring to her having been at the scene of the murder (this was disputed by her attorneys), this proves exactly nothing, because we know, as ruled by the ECHR (much as you try to pretend otherwise), that the police had previously coerced her into making a false confession, in part by convincing her that she'd been suffering from traumatic amnesia. Therefore it's perfectly reasonable that, at that point, she might have genuinely been in doubt as to what had actually happened.

"That's fine by us!" ~ The PIP.
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Same dishonest attempt to spread FUD about the video as you made. What's "obvious" is that they were shooting with two cameras, and that during the climb, they cut from the closer camera to the farther one, and then back to the closer.


This is just asinine. It reminds me a lot of the conspiracy theorists who attempt to reject recreations of Oswald's shooting of JFK by claiming that the shooter and the conditions didn't perfectly match Oswald and the conditions in Dallas on November 22, 1963. ("The shooter must have a reputation for being uncoordinated; the shooter must not have had any recent target practice; etc.). Further, as I mentioned, Panella appears to be wearing running shoes ("trainers"). Unless you can provide some credible evidence to the contrary, I'm going to assume that Quennell just pulled this out of an orifice, like so much other guilter crap.


There's no "jump." This is, again, something pulled out of an orifice by guilters in order to make the climb seem more difficult and dangerous. Further, as has been explained, assuming the shutter nearer the road hadn't been left open, Guede could have opened it before he started climbing by standing on the planter under the roof overhang and leaning out to reach it; the distance was only a few feet. Finally, there's no reason to accept that a) this person is who s/he claims s/he is, and b) this person's opinion carries as much weight as that of the person who actually made the climb.


Even ignoring the issues of Rag's hyperbole, Chieffi made several clear logical errors.


First, Romanelli's room was Guede's entry point to the cottage. There is no reason to assume that he had any special interest in it, or, indeed, that he even knew whose room it was. Second, if Guede stole Romanelli's drugs, she wouldn't have told the police. Third, Guede could have planned to come back, but was interrupted by Kercher. Finally, if the burglary was staged, why didn't Knox and Sollecito take anything??


First, there is one photo that shows possible evidence. Second, the ground right under the window was relatively dry, and covered with leaves, so there's no reason to assume that Guede would have left footprints. Finally, it is possible that Guede climbed from the aforementioned planter onto the top of the lower window, although this is probably not the best way to do it it. But it is possible.


This totally ignores the possibility that Guede was wearing gloves. Why you (and Chieffi) believe that a burglar wouldn't wear gloves is beyond me.


That's not how physics works. There is no way that a rock flying in through a window can impart outward acceleration to anything it strikes. It is possible, in certain scenarios, for glass to end up outside (e.g., a shard strikes something with enough force to bounce off and out through the window), but that is never guaranteed, or even necessarily likely, to happen.


Shards were not found "in abundance." At least some of what is taken for "ransacking" could have been clothes disturbed by the rock's hitting the wardrobe, which was right by the window, or Guede when he climbed in, and the shards could have fallen from Guede's clothes onto objects in the room, or been dislodge by him as he climbed in.


This assumes that Kercher was home when the rock was thrown. She could have returned afterwards. Guede used the toilet, so he was clearly in the apartment for some time. If he heard her come in while he was in the bathroom, that would also explain why he neglected to flush. Further, even if Kercher was home, she might not have heard the rock. Recall that Knox's bedroom was between Romanelli's and Kercher's; further, Kercher could have been listening to music or watching a video.


It's perfectly possible that even if Rudy had originally intended to go back and steal things from Romanelli's room, he abandoned that plan after he killed Kercher. There are several reasons why he might have done this: for example, because he was in a hurry to leave, or because he didn't want to take anything that could connect him to the cottage.


No. To quote @JayUtah, "You are not the teacher here."

Finally, Vixen, I have a direct question for you, which I will continue to pose until you give a satisfactory answer, or admit that you can't. How is it that, in October, Guede had been caught with a laptop and a mobile phone that had been stolen in a burglary in which a window four meters above ground had been broken with a rock? Was that just an astonishing coincidence??


So how come Delfo Baretti didn't have much luck when he tried - for the defence - to demonstrate how easy it was to get in by that method (bearing in mind that is the easy part, with the difficult part being what happens next).1745164002002.png

Any crime expert will tell you that an experienced burglar's Modi Operandi is to:

  • check out the cost is clear
  • the entry point is not visible to others whilst you are doing it. Hence, the burglary at the lawyers offices two weeks before was broken into at the back of the building via a balcony and the alarm system deactivated.
  • So, by entering at Filomena's window you are drawing attention to yourself by anybody passing:
    1. seeing you going in via the window in full view
    2. and by the LOUD noise of a 9lb boulder smashing the glass, alerting anybody who might be at home.
  • The next key thing a burglar will note is how they will exit.
  • Burglars are in a state of intense fear whilst they are in the act of intruding on someone's property with a real prospect of being caught in the act or trapped.
  • So, if Guede was an experienced burglar, for a start, he would have chosen the totally secluded entry point around the back of the building and far easier to access via the low balcony, with similar shutters on the window to Filomena's. Violá! He's in Knox' room, Knox being the one he fancies.1745163904020.png
  • We see after the hazing of Mez, Guede's shoeprints in her blood lead directly out of her room and to the front door and out.
  • Had Guede gone there to burgle, there were much richer pickings in the boys' flat below, stereo and hifi equipment, laptops, etc and everybody away for the Bank Holiday weekend with no fear of being disturbed.
  • As for drugs, the marijuana plants were being cultivated in the downstairs flat if it was drugs Guede was after.
  • All Guede needed to do was ring the doorbell, which it appears is how he got in. He was bored. He met Knox in Plaza Grimana and they decided to hang out together. As witnessed by Kokamanni.
  • Knox was seething about being snubbed by Mez over Halloween. Sollecito, he just wanted kicks and 'extreme experiences'.
  • What was missing? Only Mez' stuff. It was personal.
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