Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

[Stacyhs]

Guede is going to trial for the sexual assault and violence of his former girlfriend:

Rudy Guede, la procura chiede il processo: "Violenza sessuale e maltrattamenti sulla ex"
Richiesta di rinvio a giudizio dopo la chiusura delle indagini e l'interrogatorio del 38enne davanti alla pm Paola Conti

Rudy Guede, la procura chiede il processo: "Violenza sessuale e maltrattamenti sulla ex"
https://www.viterbotoday.it/cronaca/rudy-guede-processo-richiesta-25-marzo-2025.html
© ViterboToday

"Rudy Guede, the prosecutor requests the trial: "Sexual violence and mistreatment of the ex"Request for indictment after the closure of the investigations and the questioning of the 38-year-old before the prosecutor Paola Conti"

Leopards don't change their spots.

 

[Numbers]

Hendry was absolutely correct. The police made an immediate assumption, without any investigation, that it was staged and this assumption determined the direction of the rest of their investigation.

The police made several assumptions later proved false: the bloody shoeprints were a 'perfect match' to RS's shoes, only a woman would cover the body, it had to be an inside job, the kitchen knife was the murder weapon, no one could climb that wall, etc.

But, like so many people, the police were not willing to admit error. Saving face was all-important.

Why did they make all these false assumptions at the beginning of the investigation? Here are several possibilities; the list may not be exhaustive:

1. Mignini jumping to conclusions without evidence, as he did in the MoF case, and dragging the police he supervised in the Kercher investigation to follow him.
2. Hubris - the police and prosecutor believing they knew more than any experts (possibly related to possibility #1)
3. Seeking to end the case quickly - by adopting these false assumptions, they could focus their investigative activity on the "insiders" of the cottage, who were available - no searching for a suspect or murder weapon needed. Benefits to the police and prosecutor: saving resources and money, gaining professional recognition, gaining media recognition.
4. Protecting the actual rapist-murder, Guede, whom the Perugia police had retrieved for unknown reasons from his arrest/detention in Milan a few days before Kercher's rape-murder. This assumes the police recognized that the crime was the type that Guede would have attempted and that they were willing to grant him protection in the face of such a horrible crime.
5. Mignini or the police early on found Knox suspicious due to some idiosyncratic reasoning - for example, Mignini may have believed she and her behavior matched his expectations for a female satanic ritual killer, and this drove his assumptions about other evidence.

 

[Numbers]

Guede is going to trial for the sexual assault and violence of his former girlfriend:

"Rudy Guede, the prosecutor requests the trial: "Sexual violence and mistreatment of the ex"Request for indictment after the closure of the investigations and the questioning of the 38-year-old before the prosecutor Paola Conti"

Leopards don't change their spots.

On March 12, accompanied by his lawyer Carlo Mezzetti, Guede returned to provide his version of the facts declaring: "I did not rape or harm my ex-girlfriend". During the interrogation, which lasted about an hour and a half, he also showed some chats with the 24-year-old in an attempt to clarify his position.*

* From the article:
https://www.viterbotoday.it/cronaca/rudy-guede-processo-richiesta-25-marzo-2025.html

Interesting that the Italian authorities apparently followed procedural law for Guede's interrogation.

 

[Vixen]

I don't know how to post a video from my personal folders as it has no url. But I can take snippet still photos and post them here. I filmed several cars going by from each direction. None of their headlights illuminated FR's window. The ones I'm posting here show the headlights coming from the direction that they could have lighted her window. Additionally, the lights on the parking parapet were NOT there in 2007 so her window was even in more darkness.

FR's window:


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You can continue to claim FR's window was easily seen at night, but I've stood there and watched cars go by. It wasn't.

You went indoors...?


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[Vixen]

You omitted to mention the green shutters weren't closed when the rock was thrown as is made obvious by the fact there was no damage to them.

Are you seriously claiming that only a 'master strategist' burglar would understand the use of gloves during a break-in burglary? He certainly understood how a glass breaking tool works which is likely why he had one in his backpack when caught by the Milan police.

So? The climber easily scaled the actual wall.

Guede had scaled such a wall before at the lawyer's office. Or are you going to now tell us he wasn't the actual burglar and that he bought the cell phone and laptop from some guy at a train stations?

What makes you think Guede even owned a ladder?


The above is speculation, not established fact. From the broken glass still in the shutter, it's unlikely Guede crawled through it but rather did unlatch the shutter and opened it.

Does he, now? Then you can quote and cite it. I have a searchable version of his book. I can find no such mention of it.


LOL! Still banging the "ringing the police after the postal police arrived" drum, I see. Just another example of your inability to accept that even Massei said he called 112 before the postales arrived. Nor have you ever addressed my post showing there were FIVE calls made during the time the postales claimed they were there and they noticed NONE of them. You have no plausible or rational reason for this failure to note FIVE calls, so you just ignore it.

Yep, because someone who took the time to stage a burglary would really tell the police there had been no burglary! Riiiiiiiiight.....

Those are incredibly good points! Unfortunately, the police, the forensic police and the courts all concluded the burglary was staged by the multiple persons who committed the murder. That remains a legal fact.

See how the scattering of papers and cards in Filomena's room - one with Knox' trainer print - continues into the murder room.




The duvet pictured covers the body. This shows the "burglary" happened AFTER the murder and that the person/s responsible locked Mez' door after themself/ves.

The only person with a motive to stage the burglary is someone who lived there and wanted to deflect blame away.


So, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have the motive for Knox telling police, "It was Lumumba wot dunnit".



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[TomG]

I've been advised that the Supreme Court's motivation report has been released. Amanda's lawyers will discuss the options with her early next week.

Hoots

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Unfortunately, the police, the forensic police and the courts all concluded the burglary was staged by the multiple persons who committed the murder. That remains a legal fact.

That is indeed unfortunate, but you'll just have to console yourself with your precious 'legal facts' because the world is now well aware those are not real facts and that Knox had nothing to do with the murder.

No, please don't bother to tell us your elaborate fairy story again.

 

[TomG]

That is indeed unfortunate, but you'll just have to console yourself with your precious 'legal facts' because the world is now well aware those are not real facts and that Knox had nothing to do with the murder.

No, please don't bother to tell us your elaborate fairy story again.

They didn't have anything to do with the judicial fact of the staged break-in either. Both K&S are acquitted of that charge. But then again, we're all aware that there are judicial facts and there are actual facts, aren't we?

 

[Numbers]

Those are incredibly good points! Unfortunately, the police, the forensic police and the courts all concluded the burglary was staged by the multiple persons who committed the murder. That remains a legal fact.

See how the scattering of papers and cards in Filomena's room - one with Knox' trainer print - continues into the murder room.

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The duvet pictured covers the body. This shows the "burglary" happened AFTER the murder and that the person/s responsible locked Mez' door after themself/ves.

The only person with a motive to stage the burglary is someone who lived there and wanted to deflect blame away.


So, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have the motive for Knox telling police, "It was Lumumba wot dunnit".



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In case anyone is confused by this alleged evidence, it most likely is the result of small pieces of paper being moved through the air when the murder room door was quickly opened or closed. I'm fairly confident most readers here are familiar with that phenomenon.

Also recall that under Italian law, a fact can only be established from alleged evidence if that evidence is serious (meaningful), precise, and consistent. Because there is an explanation for the papers floating onto the duvet not related to the crime itself, and that is more probable than any crime-related hypothesis, the papers on the duvet cannot be used to legally establish any judicial fact.

 

[Stacyhs]

You went indoors...?


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What part of what I said or the videos leads you to (incorrectly) infer that?

ETA: Did you think it would go unnoticed that you failed to address the actual topic: the photos show car headlights did NOT illuminate FR's window.

 

[TomG]

Those are incredibly good points! Unfortunately, the police, the forensic police and the courts all concluded the burglary was staged by the multiple persons who committed the murder. That remains a legal fact.

Not exactly H/Z chucked out charge (E) simulated break-in sensibly "because the act did not take place;"

Ah! but were those "multiple persons" that staged the burglary the same as those "multiple persons who committed the murder". The plot thickens but it couldn't have been K&S in either circumstance.

If you are going to put emphasis on "a legal fact" then you have to use the term consistently. If you are also going to argue that the alleged staged burglary was motivated by " someone who lived there and wanted to deflect blame away" then it couldn't have been K&S since they are acquitted of the charge (E) as "a legal fact". You now have to make sense of who those "multiple persons" were as a "legal fact" with K&S ruled out.

You can either make sense of that, or concede that Hellman was right, as a "legal fact"



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[TomG]

Judge Monica Boni's motivation document is available here in the original Italian and non-OCR. https://www.amandaknox.com/legalupdates.html

Hoots

 

[Stacyhs]

Those are incredibly good points! Unfortunately, the police, the forensic police and the courts all concluded the burglary was staged by the multiple persons who committed the murder. That remains a legal fact.

Unfortunately, the police stated there was glass only ON TOP scattered items but Filomena testified she saw glass both on top AND UNDER items. Maybe Filomena is also 'bent', 'paid off', or just trying to help a couple kids in a sticky situation like Luca and Jovana did for them?

The forensic police did NOT conclude any such thing as they never did any forensic tests on the glass. They assumed facts not proven. Forensic ballistic expert Pasquale proved the rock came from outside, not inside, as the police insisted.

Hellmann-Zanetti did NOT find there was a staged burglary at all. They found it was authentic.

Marasca-Bruno found Knox and Sollecito not quilty of staging the burglary even though the court had to accept the judicial/legal fact that it was staged as it was confirmed as such by the 2010 Giordano SC in Guede's case.

You refer to legal/judicial facts because the actual facts don't support your narrative.

See how the scattering of papers and cards in Filomena's room - one with Knox' trainer print - continues into the murder room.

LOL. It was never identified as belonging to Knox. You know that so it's just a blatant lie.

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The duvet pictured covers the body. This shows the "burglary" happened AFTER the murder and that the person/s responsible locked Mez' door after themself/ves.

No, it doesn't. Or are you claiming those papers were taken from Filomena's room into Kercher's room? Notice one is in English with Semester 2 classes listed. Those were Kercher's. They could have landed on the duvet as Guede was looking through Kercher's purse and pulling out her wallet, or as previously stated, a gust of air knocked them off her nightstand onto the duvet.

The only person with a motive to stage the burglary is someone who lived there and wanted to deflect blame away.

Um...there wasn't even a need to stage a burglary as Knox reported the door standing wide open when she arrived, Kercher was founded sexually assaulted, murdered, and her two phones, wallet, and rent money were all stolen thus indicating a freaking burglary had taken place. Even Mignini and the Perugia Keystone Cops could have figured that one out.

So, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have the motive for Knox telling police, "It was Lumumba wot dunnit".

So, Vixen, there was no motive for Knox to tell the police anything about Lumumba until THEY decided he was involved per Ficarra's testimony and De Felice's statement. If she wanted to pin it on him, then WHY did she retract her statements so quickly?

Still waiting for any evidence that Kercher was lying on a sheet used to move her body or of the defense having "doctored" the climbing video. Either produce them or just admit you can't.

 

[Stacyhs]

Judge Monica Boni's motivation document is available here in the original Italian and non-OCR. https://www.amandaknox.com/legalupdates.html

Hoots

Hopefully the English version will be released soon. I'm interested in her lawyers' response and what grounds for appeal they may have.

I did a quick search for Italian media coverage hoping they might give some details but no luck.

 

[Numbers]

Unfortunately, the police stated there was glass only ON TOP scattered items but Filomena testified she saw glass both on top AND UNDER items. Maybe Filomena is also 'bent', 'paid off', or just trying to help a couple kids in a sticky situation like Luca and Jovana did for them?

The forensic police did NOT conclude any such thing as they never did any forensic tests on the glass. They assumed facts not proven. Forensic ballistic expert Pasquale proved the rock came from outside, not inside, as the police insisted.

Hellmann-Zanetti did NOT find there was a staged burglary at all. They found it was authentic.

Marasca-Bruno found Knox and Sollecito not quilty of staging the burglary even though the court had to accept the judicial/legal fact that it was staged as it was confirmed as such by the 2010 Giordano SC in Guede's case.

You refer to legal/judicial facts because the actual facts don't support your narrative.


LOL. It was never identified as belonging to Knox. You know that so it's just a blatant lie.

No, it doesn't. Or are you claiming those papers were taken from Filomena's room into Kercher's room? Notice one is in English with Semester 2 classes listed. Those were Kercher's. They could have landed on the duvet as Guede was looking through Kercher's purse and pulling out her wallet, or as previously stated, a gust of air knocked them off her nightstand onto the duvet.

Um...there wasn't even a need to stage a burglary as Knox reported the door standing wide open when she arrived, Kercher was founded sexually assaulted, murdered, and her two phones, wallet, and rent money were all stolen thus indicating a freaking burglary had taken place. Even Mignini and the Perugia Keystone Cops could have figured that one out.


So, Vixen, there was no motive for Knox to tell the police anything about Lumumba until THEY decided he was involved per Ficarra's testimony and De Felice's statement. If she wanted to pin it on him, then WHY did she retract her statements so quickly?

Still waiting for any evidence that Kercher was lying on a sheet used to move her body or of the defense having "doctored" the climbing video. Either produce them or just admit you can't.

It's certainly a possibility that someone (such as Guede) touched the papers on the duvet during the crime. IIRC, Guede's finger prints were found on Kechrer's purse/handbag. Did the police examine the papers for fingerprints? There were certainly methods known to forensic scientists as early as 2001 for detecting latent fingerprints on porous surfaces such as papers. See, for example:

The Detection and Enhancement of Latent Fingerprints, by Dr Chris Lennard,
13th INTERPOL Forensic Science Symposium, Lyon, France, October 16-19 2001

http://www.latent-prints.com/images/SpecialPresentation.pdf

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[Stacyhs]

Guede's DNA was found in Kercher's blood on the purse. There is no reason for it to be on her purse unless he was going through it after the murder.

 

[Numbers]

Guede's DNA was found in Kercher's blood on the purse. There is no reason for it to be on her purse unless he was going through it after the murder.

Stacyhs, thanks for correcting my incorrect recollection! Was there any DNA testing on the papers found on the duvet?

 

[TomG]

Hopefully the English version will be released soon. I'm interested in her lawyers' response and what grounds for appeal they may have.

I did a quick search for Italian media coverage hoping they might give some details but no luck.

It's possible that Amanda might upload a video on YouTube concerning the M/R if it's safe to do so. I doubt that we'll get the document in English.
Hoots

 

[Stacyhs]

It's possible that Amanda might upload a video on YouTube concerning the M/R if it's safe to do so. I doubt that we'll get the document in English.
Hoots

Amanda may have it translated. Or at least translate the parts her lawyers feel give them grounds for appeal.

 

[Stacyhs]

Stacyhs, thanks for correcting my incorrect recollection! Was there any DNA testing on the papers found on the duvet?

Not that I can find in my spreadsheet of the testing records. In the police photos from Nov. 2, the two pieces of paper are seen on the comforter, but they have not been given an identification number or letter like all the other items in her room.