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Merged Due process in the US

Hercules56 said:
Its illegal to buy a gun from a dealer without a NICS check.
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That's why I specifically stated gun shows and craigslist sales. Private sales aren't beholden to NICS checks.
Hercules56 said:
And yes, someone could snitch on you if they dont like you and know you are a felon or had a restraining order or a druggy, etc.
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I know, that's why I said it, but sans that from happening you can get pulled over by a local police officer, with a gun in your possession and you won't suffer any legal issues. It's entirely possible the cop would report you to a federal enforcement agency, but that cop couldn't do anything to you at that time. It's legal for a convicted felon to possess a gun in North Dakota after 10 years from the end of their probation\parole\detention.

Also, restraining orders don't prevent one from possessing or owning a gun. You can have a restraining order and be in legal possession of a firearm. Are you sure you really understand the law in general? This thread has really shown that you have a tenuous grasp, at best, of the legal process here in the U.S.
 
plague311 said:
That's why I specifically stated gun shows and craigslist sales. Private sales aren't beholden to NICS checks.


I know, that's why I said it, but sans that from happening you can get pulled over by a local police officer, with a gun in your possession and you won't suffer any legal issues. It's entirely possible the cop would report you to a federal enforcement agency, but that cop couldn't do anything to you at that time. It's legal for a convicted felon to possess a gun in North Dakota after 10 years from the end of their probation\parole\detention.

Also, restraining orders don't prevent one from possessing or owning a gun. You can have a restraining order and be in legal possession of a firearm. Are you sure you really understand the law in general? This thread has really shown that you have a tenuous grasp, at best, of the legal process here in the U.S.
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When did Tramp reverse Biden's rule about NICS checks at gun shows?
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Since it's Easter..


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"He's a Jew in Judea. It's not my problem."
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А теперь скажи мне, что это ты все время употребляешь слова добрые
люди"? Ты всех, что ли, так называешь?
- Всех, - ответил арестант, - злых людей нет на свете.

The language of this forum is, for the time being, at least, English (or, failing that, American).

Translation:
“And now tell me, why is it that you use me words "good people" all the time? Do you call everyone that, or what?
- Everyone, - the prisoner replied. - There are no evil people in the world.

― Mikhail Bulgakov, The Master and Margarita

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Hercules56 said:
When did Tramp reverse Biden's rule about NICS checks at gun shows?
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In North Dakota, background checks are typically required for firearm purchases, including those made at gun shows, from licensed dealers, or from other individuals. However, there is a "gun show loophole" where individual sellers, not in the business of selling firearms, are not always required to conduct background checks

Glad I could help.
 
plague311 said:
In North Dakota, background checks are typically required for firearm purchases, including those made at gun shows, from licensed dealers, or from other individuals. However, there is a "gun show loophole" where individual sellers, not in the business of selling firearms, are not always required to conduct background checks

Glad I could help.
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Yeah, well President Biden issued an EO that ALL sales at gun shows required a NICS check. Dealer, non-dealer, whatever.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Rep. Dan Meuser on Abrego Garcia: "Maybe he's not a terrorist. But he's a potential terrorist. He's a terrorist watchlist person."
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Maybe he's not a witch. But he's a potential witch. He's got a hat. Not a witch's hat but still. He just looks like one of those witchy people.


He turned me into a Gingritch.

I got better.
 
Hercules56 said:
I disagree, but whatever.
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Why?

Was he illegally deported to a foreign prison? Is that acceptable to happen to anyone? If so, what is the threshold? If not, why do you disagree?

Or have I missed some nuance? If so, what?
 
Hercules56 said:
He clearly has little Due Process in El Salvador, his homeland.

He still has it in the USA.
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No he does not, at least according to the government that subjected him to extra-judicial foreign imprisonment. Due process was denied when he was here. They have made it clear that once he is out of the country all chance of remedy here is over, because due process requires jurisdiction. He's been sentenced and condemned without a trial. It's over for him. The best you can hope for is a post-mortem pseudo-apology, though that is highly unlikely since Trump and his creatures are publicly happy about the result and consider it a success that should be repeated.
 
jimbob said:
Why?

Was he illegally deported to a foreign prison? Is that acceptable to happen to anyone? If so, what is the threshold? If not, why do you disagree?

Or have I missed some nuance? If so, what?
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I believe Hercules56's argument is that he wasn't in the US legally, waited too long to claim asylum, worked illegally before claiming asylum and so isn't necessarily entitled to due process in the US and that, as an El Salvadorean citizen he is now "home" and so any beef he has should be with the El Salvadoran government - which is famous for its due process especially for paid-for prisoners residing in its concentration camp jails.
 
Hercules56 said:
You can never lose your right to Due Process.
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The right is always there, but have you never noticed that rights can be abused and denied? Many people over the years have been imprisoned, enslaved, beaten, raped and lynched despite their right not to be. Garcia may not have lost his right to due process but he has lost his battle to use it.
 
The Don said:
I believe Hercules56's argument is that he wasn't in the US legally, waited too long to claim asylum, worked illegally before claiming asylum and so isn't necessarily entitled to due process in the US and that, as an El Salvadorean citizen he is now "home" and so any beef he has should be with the El Salvadoran government - which is famous for its due process especially for paid-for prisoners residing in its concentration camp jails.
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Due process doesn't mean the same process for everyone. It means the process due to each one based on the details of their case. The process due an illegal immigrant appealing for asylum isn't the same as the process due a citizen fighting a traffic ticket.
 
Just think of all the pre-crimes and thought-crimes people with no criminal record might have committed or could commit.

Send them all to the gulag.
 
The Don said:
I believe Hercules56's argument is that he wasn't in the US legally, waited too long to claim asylum, worked illegally before claiming asylum and so isn't necessarily entitled to due process in the US and that, as an El Salvadorean citizen he is now "home" and so any beef he has should be with the El Salvadoran government - which is famous for its due process especially for paid-for prisoners residing in its concentration camp jails.
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I feel I should be bundling posts here, but I'll throw in another. The argument fails on several grounds. First that no crime should deprive anyone of due process. Second, that at the time of the deportation he was not here illegally, no matter what his history, and third that he was not just deported. He was not just sent back to El Salvador and dropped at the airport or something. Even if doing so would have resulted in his immediate arrest and imprisonment by the El Salvador authorities, it is simply not the same thing as what happened. He, and others like him, were extra-judicially convicted and sentenced to imprisonment in El Salvador. The decision to convict and imprison him was made in the United States by the United States.

Hercules has asserted that Garcia is the wrong person to defend, in part because he's such a bad guy that the public will reject the defense and the cause of justice will be set back. The remedy for this seems to be to let this one go, and try next time. I think that's a serious mistake. Next times are tentative and tend to stretch into more next times until it's too late.
 
theprestige said:
Due process doesn't mean the same process for everyone. It means the process due to each one based on the details of their case. The process due an illegal immigrant appealing for asylum isn't the same as the process due a citizen fighting a traffic ticket.
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What if it's an illegal immigrant fighting a traffic ticket?
 
theprestige said:
Due process doesn't mean the same process for everyone. It means the process due to each one based on the details of their case. The process due an illegal immigrant appealing for asylum isn't the same as the process due a citizen fighting a traffic ticket.
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AIUI, Abrego Garcia had been given the right to remain in the US due to the threat on his life should he return to El Salvador.

He was snatched off the street on spurious grounds - due to a tattoo and a hat worn backwards - and deported without due process.
 
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