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Merged Due process in the US

If I was deported to Mexico, Id just go to the US Embassy, verify my citizenship and fly home.
could you imagine if you went that embassy, and they said nope not american go die in the streets. and then you got a hold of a lawyer, and the supreme court said you must be allowed to return, and then the biden crime family said well we're not letting him back, he can go die in the streets. and then a bunch of people on the internet found a picture of you with a backwards hat on and then called you a rapist. and then some other people said, well he should be back it's the law and the constitution. and then somebody said you're not special and don't deserve it.

that would be insane.
 
ICE doesn't deport anyone on their own authority. They bring people before a judge, and excute deportations as ordered by that judge.

Do you have any examples of ICE agents ordering and carrying out deportations on their own authority? Which countries did they deport to? How did they effect the deportation?

You are incorrect.
 
ICE doesn't deport anyone on their own authority. They bring people before a judge, and excute deportations as ordered by that judge.
You might want to research "expedited removal."

Expedited removal is a process by which low-level immigration officers can summarily remove certain noncitizens from the United States without a hearing before an immigration judge.


ETA: Missed it by that much.
 
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I can say that when I read the story it was during Trump's first term, as I said. I'm not great with names, though, and it was from so long ago, so I don't remember the specific name....

Let me know when you find more info about this mystery man.
 
Doesn't matter. Herc wants to make his boogeyman issue about me. Boop to that.
I don't consider the issue a boogeyman, for the reasons I gave. However if someone wants to personalize the discussion by suggesting you are somehow compelled to defend a policy you don't agree with, I say boop to that.
 
Would love to see an example of a US citizen accidentally deported.

Im sure if this is true by some crazy chance, he came back to the USA very quickly.
I would rather love to see a reliable assurance that it won't happen, because of that soon-to-be forgotten American value of due process. It's been made abundantly clear already that if such a thing were to happen, and a citizen were deported to a prison in El Salvador, for example, such a person would not come back quickly because the US authorities consider such a person no longer in their jurisdiction, and the El Salvador authorities claim they have no ability to take a person out of their prisons. Not that I believe them, but that's the official version, which means that in all likelihood, a person mistakenly sent to prison in El Salvador will be out of luck entirely. The Garcia case makes it clear that as far as the current administration is concerned, mistakes of this kind will not be corrected.

I see that while I've been typing here, others have responded, and it appears there are definite instances of citizen deportations. I believe most involve people being shipped to Mexico. And I see by the response here that Hercules thinks it's not so bad. Only 70, and an assumption that it all got fixed up, no big deal. The utilitarian omelette has been consumed.

But the story of those mere bump-in-the-road no-big-deal deportations brings home a point I think has been woefully neglected in this whole argument. The deportations to El Salvador now under discussion are not simply deportations. It's bad enough that they are being done without due process, but they are not simply that. People are not being thrown out of the country to fend for themselves there. They are being sentenced without trial or recourse to imprisonment by foreign powers for crimes...well not even actual crimes committed but status crimes. They are not simply being sent to the shores of another country. They are being sent, in shackles, directly to foreign prisons, on the untried allegation that they might have committed offenses in yet another country, under the same provision that permitted the shameful internment of many thousands of Japanese Americans in the last century.

I know there are all sorts of arguments that these folks are, for the most part at least, bad guys and undesirables, and we're well rid of them. God knows there are plenty of people in this world, in this country, and probably even in this neighborhood, we'd be well rid of, and we can be forgiven for wishing so. But what's happening now is insane. This is not just deportation.

e.t.a removed a sentence. It's true that the government is sending anonymous masked gunmen to arrest people and handcuff them but not proven that they are being sent directly to foreign prisons. The handcuffs might come off and due process might occur.
 
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A citizen can't be exiled.

Maybe not in theory. But in practice it is possible. How would one get out of an El Salvadorian prison if the US government says it cannot do anything about it?
 
I cant imagine it being difficult, as I am a natural-born citizen of the USA.
Well we'd love to let you out of our jail so you can go find the US embassy but sadly we can't because it says here you're a notorious Venezuelan gangster. I mean, you almost had us convinced, but MTG went on Fox and reiterated that you're a gangster terrorist so sorry but no release for you.
 
Well we'd love to let you out of our jail so you can go find the US embassy but sadly we can't because it says here you're a notorious Venezuelan gangster. I mean, you almost had us convinced, but MTG went on Fox and reiterated that you're a gangster terrorist so sorry but no release for you.
Can still make a phone call.
 
To the end of establishing that you have evidence that ICE acts as you insinuate.
The treatment of Rumeysa Ozturk is an example of what I described. Not the only one that I've seen a story about, but I'm not particularly motivated to prove anything to you on the topic, especially when links had been provided for much of what I've said, previously, and then discussion moved on. That much discussion was moved to this thread and the search function is disabled reduces my motivation further on that front. It strains credibility a little to think that you completely missed all that, either way, but meh.

Let me know when you find more info about this mystery man.
Not really interested in trying to dig it back up, especially with all the noise from Trump's recent actions getting in the way. I provided information that actually mattered about what happened, such as challenges actually faced when put in that situation, and linked you to a GAO report that dealt with the issue more generally. That you seem to be assuming falsehood based on extremely questionable foundations is well worthy of note, in comparison.
 

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