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Merged Due process in the US

Skeptical Greg said:
I would really need more context to determine if I felt an ICE agent acted improperly in a particular situation.

With regard to what came before, has ICE been deporting people who are here legally but happen to be pro Palestinian?
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I would really need more context to determine if bad faith actors are acting in bad faith.
 
Hercules56 said:
Would love to see an example of a US citizen accidentally deported.

Im sure if this is true by some crazy chance, he came back to the USA very quickly.
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If only. To point to a GAO report, though, for an overview -

Available data indicate ICE and CBP took enforcement actions against some U.S. citizens. For example, available ICE data indicate that ICE arrested 674, detained 121, and removed 70 potential U.S. citizens from fiscal year 2015 through the second quarter of fiscal year 2020 (March 2020).
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Going by the graphs, incidentally, all of the actual found removals of US citizens during that time period were during the Trump Administration and none during the 2 years before.
 
Resume said:
According to the Govt Accounting Office, there were 70 of them between 2015 and 2020.

Bald assertion.
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Millions of illegals deported. 70 citizens deported by mistake.

◊◊◊◊ happens. I assume the Americans were able to come home quickly.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I would really need more context to determine if I felt an ICE agent acted improperly in a particular situation.

With regard to what came before, has ICE been deporting people who are here legally but happen to be pro Palestinian?
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Sure looks like it. More than one story of people here quite legally being effectively grabbed off the street by masked men in unmarked vehicles who claim to be law enforcement, apparently getting taken across the country, and then arbitrarily having their visas revoked with no apparent explanation given.
 
Resume said:
According to the Govt Accounting Office, there were 70 of them between 2015 and 2020.
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That's interesting. More that a dozen cases per typical year before the era of move fast and break things. It seems unlikely that number will have reduced recently.

Now I also find myself wondering if the Government Accounting Office still exists or if it's been chainsawed by DOGE.
 
Hercules56 said:
Millions of illegals deported. 70 citizens deported by mistake.

◊◊◊◊ happens. I assume the Americans were able to come home quickly.
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Yes, you assume. It's worth asking you to actually consider what your assumptions are actually based on, though. What I spoke of was the story of one of those citizens who was deported and they were not able to come home quickly and mentioned what I recall as some relevant factors about why that was the case.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
That's interesting. More that a dozen cases per typical year before the era of move fast and break things. It seems unlikely that number will have reduced recently.

Now I also find myself wondering if the Government Accounting Office still exists or if it's been chainsawed by DOGE.
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Their website is still up with that info, so they're good, for now.
 
Aridas said:
Sure looks like it.
More than one storyof people here quite legally being effectively grabbed off the street by masked men in unmarked vehicles who claim to be law enforcement, apparently getting taken across the country, and then arbitrarily having their visas revoked with no apparent explanation given.
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Like I said. I would need little more (verifiable) context to offer an opinion.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I would really need more context to determine if I felt an ICE agent acted improperly in a particular situation.

With regard to what came before, has ICE been deporting people who are here legally but happen to be pro Palestinian?
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ICE doesn't deport anyone on their own authority. They bring people before a judge, and excute deportations as ordered by that judge.

Do you have any examples of ICE agents ordering and carrying out deportations on their own authority? Which countries did they deport to? How did they effect the deportation?
 
Aridas said:
Yes, you assume. It's worth asking you to actually consider what your assumptions are actually based on, though. What I spoke of was the story of one of those citizens who was deported and they were not able to come home quickly and mentioned what I recall as some relevant factors about why that was the case.
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Who was that?

Was he a naturalized citizen?
 
Aridas said:
Sure looks like it. More than one story of people here quite legally being effectively grabbed off the street by masked men in unmarked vehicles who claim to be law enforcement, apparently getting taken across the country, and then arbitrarily having their visas revoked with no apparent explanation given.
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Can you cite three such stories?
 
Aridas said:
Sure looks like it. More than one story of people here quite legally being effectively grabbed off the street by masked men in unmarked vehicles who claim to be law enforcement, apparently getting taken across the country, and then arbitrarily having their visas revoked with no apparent explanation given.
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U.S. citizens are being detained at customs, their electronic devices being confiscated and examined. One such detainee was informed that this is the way it should always have been "Your in Trump country now."
 
Hercules56 said:
Millions of illegals deported. 70 citizens deported by mistake.

◊◊◊◊ happens. I assume the Americans were able to come home quickly.
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It's going at regular pace. Same as Biden. None of the terror was necessary.
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Deportation in the second presidency of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

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37,660 people were deported in Trump's first month in office, including both removals and returns, far less than the monthly average of 57,000 deportations under Biden in 2024.
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theprestige said:
No. I'm not going to take personal responsibility for your boogeyman.
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I'm not sure what constitutes a boogeyman here. If you disagree with Donald Trump's policies and don't wish to defend them, that's certainly your prerogative. But the willingness to defend one degree of wrongdoing while drawing the line on others sidesteps the assertion of evidence that this is a slippery slope. We start with agreement that people in the country unlawfully are subject to removal according to a process defined in law. When that extends to removing allegedly unlawfully present people without due process, further causing them to be imprisoned in a foreign country, and placing them beyond the reach of habeas relief, it's a shorter step to removing and renditioning into slavery people who are lawfully present. Why? Because the first step is a qualitative shift from lawfulness to unlawfulness. The second step is merely an additional degree of unlawfulness—merely a quantitative shift. This is dangerous because we have observed patterns in authoritarian regimes where deplorable and unlawful practices were first justified because they were applied only to disfavored or disadvantaged targets who had no sympathetic defenders. Then once the unlawfulness per se was normalized, it was applied more broadly.
 
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