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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 9

Donald's ceasefire doesn't look imminent

Russian strikes cross 'any lines of decency', US envoy to Ukraine says, as Sumy death toll rises

The Ukraine-Russia envoy for the US, Keith Kellogg, says Russia's attack on Sumy "crosses any line of decency".

Writing on social media, Kellogg describes the ballistic missile strikes as "wrong".

He adds that the US remains involved in brokering an end to the conflict: "It is why President Trump is working hard to end this war".

In response to Kellogg's post, Zelensky's communications adviser Dmytro Lytvyn says: "Don’t you think it’s time to smack the Moscow mule across the nose with a 2x4 (two-by-four)?"
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www.bbc.co.uk

'If we hadn't moved, we'd be dead': Ukrainians describe moment Russian strikes hit Sumy

At least 34 people have been killed, as the US envoy to Ukraine says the strikes cross "any lines of decency".
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Cluster munitions used to kill as many civilians as possible in a residential area.

That's Russia for you.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Donald's ceasefire doesn't look imminent

Russian strikes cross 'any lines of decency', US envoy to Ukraine says, as Sumy death toll rises



www.bbc.co.uk

'If we hadn't moved, we'd be dead': Ukrainians describe moment Russian strikes hit Sumy

At least 34 people have been killed, as the US envoy to Ukraine says the strikes cross "any lines of decency".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Ron Filipkowski (@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social)

L - The official photo from the Kremlin of US Special Envoy @SteveWitkoff putting his hand over his heart as he greets his friend Vladimir Putin again this week. R - Putin’s latest missile attack killing at least 21 people, including 7 children, on Palm Sunday. Putin’s stooge.
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Zelensky has been clear all along that Ukraine will only accept peace on the basis of Russian defeat and expulsion.

Trump and his team were idiots to try to start negotiations, without having anything to offer, to bring Zelensky to the table.

Three things happened when Trump started moving against Ukraine, and towards a deal in Moscow's favor:
  1. Zelensky immediately signaled intransigence.
  2. Ukraine embarked on a surge of successful operations on along multiple strategic axes. New weapons, new formations, new moves against Russia, both on the front and in depth.
  3. Europe, bolstered these first two things, and its own growing Anti-Trump sentiment, reaffirmed its commitment to Ukraine and Ukraine's struggle.
The overall effect has been to establish the perception that Ukraine can continue with the support of Europe alone.

If, as @Ziggurat has implied, Trump was motivated by some humanitarian urge to save Ukrainian lives by bringing the war to a swift end, then Trump has achieved the opposite result.

And of course it remains abundantly clear that Ukraine is not hoping for peace, to save Ukrainian lives. They're hoping for victory, to save Ukraine.

Anyway, cyka Trump, slava Ukraine.
 
theprestige said:
And of course it remains abundantly clear that Ukraine is not hoping for peace, to save Ukrainian lives. They're hoping for victory, to save Ukraine.
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One small quibble. To save Ukrainian lives works there in the very present tense, but saving Ukrainian lives also applies to the hoping for victory side of that, just in a future tense and likely in a larger number sense, too.
 
ChrisO_Wiki. https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3lmr4himfg42s
extract:
The air defence system that Russia inherited from the USSR is reported to be severely undermanned and under-equipped, despite the Kremlin's efforts to renovate it. Post-Soviet cutbacks have left it unable to counter Ukrainian drone attacks.
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The Soviet Union had more than 250 regiments of specialist Air Defence Radio-Technical Units guarding its airspace along the borders. Only a few now remain. As a source says: "there is no early warning for air defence systems, so all sorts of UAVs easily fly across the entire territory of Russia and freely attack military and industrial infrastructure facilities and even the air defence missile systems themselves."
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Telegraph says the German Leopard 2 tanks are a flop in Ukraine.
They have to be taken to workshops for repair leaving units short and are vulnerable to drone attack.

Well second point first. All tanks are vulnerable to drone attack, the Leopard is no more vulnerable than any other.

First point. All modern tanks need a workshop for repair. Even older tanks need workshop facilities.
They so far only have 18 of them so a couple out for repair or service is a relatively high percentage out of action.

I wonder what the Telegraph's motive is for picking on the European Leopard 2 rather than the Abrams or Challenger?
 
Andy_Ross said:
Telegraph says the German Leopard 2 tanks are a flop in Ukraine.
They have to be taken to workshops for repair leaving units short and are vulnerable to drone attack.

Well second point first. All tanks are vulnerable to drone attack, the Leopard is no more vulnerable than any other.

First point. All modern tanks need a workshop for repair. Even older tanks need workshop facilities.
They so far only have 18 of them so a couple out for repair or service is a relatively high percentage out of action.

I wonder what the Telegraph's motive is for picking on the European Leopard 2 rather than the Abrams or Challenger?
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Because Ukraine got higher numbers of Leopard 2's compared to Abrams or Challenger?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_of_the_Ukrainian_Army
 
Andy_Ross said:
Telegraph says the German Leopard 2 tanks are a flop in Ukraine.
They have to be taken to workshops for repair leaving units short and are vulnerable to drone attack.

Well second point first. All tanks are vulnerable to drone attack, the Leopard is no more vulnerable than any other.

First point. All modern tanks need a workshop for repair. Even older tanks need workshop facilities.
They so far only have 18 of them so a couple out for repair or service is a relatively high percentage out of action.

I wonder what the Telegraph's motive is for picking on the European Leopard 2 rather than the Abrams or Challenger?
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I dunno what the Telegraph is up to, but a reasonable version of the story might go something like this:

Ukraine has received a lot of Leopard 2 tanks, more than any other tank that's been donated so far. Let's see how they're doing... They're not doing as well as might be hoped. Modern tanks are finicky beasts, with a lot of sophisticated components that require shop time to maintain. Without the robust logistics, plentiful supplies, and western motor pools that NATO enjoys, Ukrainians find their Leopards in the shop more often than they'd like, leaving units under-equipped and hindering operations. For the moment, the Ukrainians might even be better off with more of the "primitive" Soviet-era designs like the T-72 and the T-84.​

I also don't know if that's the case. But it touches on all the points of the complaint, and comes across as plausible rather than silly.
 
theprestige said:
I dunno what the Telegraph is up to, but a reasonable version of the story might go something like this:

Ukraine has received a lot of Leopard 2 tanks, more than any other tank that's been donated so far. Let's see how they're doing... They're not doing as well as might be hoped. Modern tanks are finicky beasts, with a lot of sophisticated components that require shop time to maintain. Without the robust logistics, plentiful supplies, and western motor pools that NATO enjoys, Ukrainians find their Leopards in the shop more often than they'd like, leaving units under-equipped and hindering operations. For the moment, the Ukrainians might even be better off with more of the "primitive" Soviet-era designs like the T-72 and the T-84.​

I also don't know if that's the case. But it touches on all the points of the complaint, and comes across as plausible rather than silly.
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I've thought from the start that there is no way the Ukrainians can properly maintain the huge diversity in equipment or be trained in its use. It's not their fault, that's what they've been given. Armed forces usually pick the least number of types of equipment for that reason.
 
a_unique_person said:
I've thought from the start that there is no way the Ukrainians can properly maintain the huge diversity in equipment or be trained in its use. It's not their fault, that's what they've been given. Armed forces usually pick the least number of types of equipment for that reason.
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Like the polish and their tank park of Leopard 2's, Abrams and K2's. They should just ditch the Leopards and Abrams
 
theprestige said:
I dunno what the Telegraph is up to, but a reasonable version of the story might go something like this:

Ukraine has received a lot of Leopard 2 tanks, more than any other tank that's been donated so far. Let's see how they're doing... They're not doing as well as might be hoped. Modern tanks are finicky beasts, with a lot of sophisticated components that require shop time to maintain. Without the robust logistics, plentiful supplies, and western motor pools that NATO enjoys, Ukrainians find their Leopards in the shop more often than they'd like, leaving units under-equipped and hindering operations. For the moment, the Ukrainians might even be better off with more of the "primitive" Soviet-era designs like the T-72 and the T-84.​

I also don't know if that's the case. But it touches on all the points of the complaint, and comes across as plausible rather than silly.
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They have the logistics

Germany has delivered 18 Leopard 2A6 tanks. This is the specific variant that the Telegraph is talking about, it's just the usual anti European crap from the Telegraph.

Altogether there are 85 Leopard 2s delivered or on the way

Germany: 18 Leopard 2A6
Portugal: 3 Leopard 2A6
Sweden: 10 Leopard 2A5
Poland: 14 Leopard 2A4
Spain: 10 Leopard 2A4
Norway: 8 Leopard 2A4
Canada: 8 Leopard 2A4
Netherlands and Denmark: 14 Leopard 2A4

They take no more servicing that any other modern tank.
Old Russian tanks may be more 'primitive' but they still need a workshop for anything but basic running repairs and service, plus they break down a lot more often and get destroyed far more easily.
 
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Crooked Joe Biden's War

Zelensky and Joe did a horrible job letting the war begin, it's because the election was rigged!

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
The War between Russia and Ukraine is Biden's war, not mine. I just got here, and for four years during my term, had no problem in preventing it from happening. President Putin, and everyone else, respected your President! I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS WAR, BUT AM WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET THE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION TO STOP. If the 2020 Presidential Election was not RIGGED, and it was, in so many ways, that horrible War would never have happened. President Zelenskyy and Crooked Joe Biden did an absolutely horrible job in allowing this travesty to begin. There were so many ways of preventing it from ever starting. But that is the past. Now we have to get it to STOP, AND FAST. SO SAD!
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He's so full of ◊◊◊◊.

Donald Trump has questioned Volodymyr Zelenskyy's competence and suggested Ukraine started the war against Russia which is "20 times" its size.

The US president also said "millions of people are dead because of three people" - blaming Russian President Vladimir Putin, his White House predecessor Joe Biden, and Mr Zelenskyy, in that order. It comes a day after 35 people, including two children, were killed by two Russian missiles that struck the northeastern city of Sumy as Ukrainians gathered to celebrate Palm Sunday in what was the deadliest strike on the country so far this year, according to officials.
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Speaking in the White House's Oval Office during a meeting with El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele, Mr Trump told reporters: "If Biden were competent, and if Zelenskyy were competent, and I don't know that he is...


"There was no way that war should never have been allowed to happen."

He added: "Biden could have stopped it, and Zelenskyy could have stopped it, and Putin should have never started it."
Asked about Mr Zelenskyy, Mr Trump said: "When you start a war you've got to know you can win the war.

"You don't start a war against somebody that's 20 times your size. And then hope that people give you some missiles.
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