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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32

Translation: I have nothing except opinions with no facts to back them up.


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Fortunately, under the Italian Criminal Code we have the judges' full written reasons, called Motivational Reports and all of the facts are set out in there. You might also want to read the MR for Sollecito's claim for compensation and why it was thrown out. The courts give their reasoning in full.



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Fortunately, under the Italian Criminal Code we have the judges' full written reasons, called Motivational Reports and all of the facts are set out in there. You might also want to read the MR for Sollecito's claim for compensation and why it was thrown out. The courts give their reasoning in full.


Well then, when are you going to make a coherent response to Numbers' posts that have refuted all your opinions instead of trading barbs with me?


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I did and not only is it incoherent, but it's also based on opinions that have no rational basis.


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Let me express it simply.

There is a murder.

A suspect is taken in for questioning and remanded in custody.

The suspect is convicted after due legal process.

The prosecutor is a horrible ghastly man, according to the defence. In addition, one of the cops present unlawfully looked up police records of her rival in love during an acrimonious divorce battle some years later.

Does the suspect's culpability legally change in any way as a result?

No need to answer, it is a rhetorical question.


Clear now?


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Let me express it simply.

There is a murder.

A suspect is taken in for questioning and remanded in custody.

The suspect is convicted after due legal process.

The prosecutor is a horrible ghastly man, according to the defence. In addition, one of the cops present unlawfully looked up police records of her rival in love during an acrimonious divorce battle some years later.

Does the suspect's culpability legally change in any way as a result?

No need to answer, it is a rhetorical question.


Clear now?


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Incoherent babbling doesn't change the fact that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent and Guede is the lone guilty party.

BTW, you still haven't shown any evidence that the US government AND the Mafia were responsible for Amanda and Raffaele's exoneration.


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Is this somehow supposed to prove that the US government and the Mafia were involved?

Pro tip: it doesn't.


We can come to the logical conclusion that irregular and improper outside forces brought about the same surprise annulment (i.e., surprise to legal experts) as did the acquittals of Andreotti and Berlesconi under the same ambit. Likewise, the Bologna Bombers, The latter could be viewed as being in a similar situation as the Birmingham Six, in that they were convicted as proxies for whoever did plant the bomb by virtue of being a member of the specific political group that did plant the terrorist bomb. In other words, Knox and Sollecito's convictions were treated in the same way as a political acquittal. Statement in support: Giulia Bongiorno acting for Sollecto, Sicilian barrister for Andreotti (almost certainly mafia-influenced!) presented a two and a half day 'skeleton' to the Marasca-Bruno Supreme Court, when all the other parties' barristers only had twenty minutes to sum up their case. The MR should have been rubber stamped within 60 days but was - irregularly - delayed by another three months. Bongiorno had brought along a lengthy document written by Dr Gill and advocate for Knox and Sollecito based on representations by Conti & Vecchiotti - who had been slammed by the Supreme Court that expunged Hellman's MR almost in full - with eviscerating words as to his competence. Gill had not been cross-examined under oath in court; he was writing as an advocate for a bunch of US 'scientists' who managed to ambush Vecchiotti and Conti into citing, for example, the Baltimore Highway Code, as if that had anything to do with highly civilised Italy.

So yes, we can safely say there were some dark arts going on there, as pulled out of the hat by Andreotti-admiring Bongiorno, with all her contacts. She managed to secure Hellman instead of a proper Serious Crime judge.



Conclusion: definite underhand machinations went on there.




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Incoherent babbling doesn't change the fact that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent and Guede is the lone guilty party.

BTW, you still haven't shown any evidence that the US government AND the Mafia were responsible for Amanda and Raffaele's exoneration.


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Did you not see Hillary's wikileaks email plus there was that governor of Washington who tried to weigh in as well. Some guy claiming to work for the US State Dept., said Knox would never be extradited. Thus it left Sollecito in the position of being legally unfairly treated compared to his partner.
 
We can come to the logical conclusion that irregular and improper outside forces brought about the same surprise annulment (i.e., surprise to legal experts) as did the acquittals of Andreotti and Berlesconi under the same ambit. Likewise, the Bologna Bombers, The latter could be viewed as being in a similar situation as the Birmingham Six, in that they were convicted as proxies for whoever did plant the bomb by virtue of being a member of the specific political group that did plant the terrorist bomb. In other words, Knox and Sollecito's convictions were treated in the same way as a political acquittal. Statement in support: Giulia Bongiorno acting for Sollecto, Sicilian barrister for Andreotti (almost certainly mafia-influenced!) presented a two and a half day 'skeleton' to the Marasca-Bruno Supreme Court, when all the other parties' barristers only had twenty minutes to sum up their case. The MR should have been rubber stamped within 60 days but was - irregularly - delayed by another three months. Bongiorno had brought along a lenghty document written by Dr Gill and advocate for Knox and Sollecito based on represtnations by Conti * Vecchiotti, who had been slammed by the Supreme Court that expunged Hellman's MR almost in full with eviscerating words as to his competence. Gill had not been cross-examined under oath in court he was writing as an advocate for a bundh of US 'scientists' who managed to ambush Vecchiotti and Conti into citing, for example, the Baltimore Highway Code, as if that had anything to do with highly civilised Itlay.

So yes, we can safely say there were some dark arts going on there, as pulled out of the hat by Andreotti-admiring Bongiorno, with all her contacts. She managed to secure Hellman instead of a proper Serious Crime judge.



Conclusion: definite underhand machinations went on there.


Conclusion: opinions are not factual conclusions, but nice try anyway.


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Did you not see Hillary's wikileaks email plus there was that governor of Washington who tried to weigh in as well. Some guy claiming to work for the US State Dept., said Knox would never be extradited. Thus it left Sollecito in the position of being legally unfairly treated compared to his partner.


Yeah, so what?


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It doesn't change the facts that were found by the merits courts and as underlined by the Appeal and Supreme Court.

The fact is: Knox and almost certainly Sollecito (the legal facts state) were present at the murder scene.


Of course they were. Amanda lived there and Raffaele was her boyfriend for Christ sake, but none of that proves they were there at the time of the murder.


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One of my stray thoughts about the Knox - Sollecito case was whether their prosecution on the murder/rape charges would - if it had happened in the US - be considered a malicious prosecution. In summary, that means a prosecution conducted without probable cause and that causes damage to the person prosecuted*. In the US, as in Italy, the impugned interrogation statements of Knox and Sollecito could not be introduced as evidence against either of them in the murder/rape case. The only relevant evidence that could be considered in the case would be the alleged DNA of Kercher on the knife blade and the alleged DNA of Sollecito on the bra clasp. However, none of that evidence would be considered admissible because of the many defects in the forensic methods used to collect, test, analyze, and report the tests. In US court systems in which full discovery is required, the refusal of the prosecution to share the original automatically generated and digitally recorded DNA test and control data would invalidate that evidence from any further consideration. Thus, the prosecution would end early and the extent of damage to the defendants would be relatively small. However, if the US court system involved did not require full discovery, the possibility would exist that there would be an extended trial and the potential damage to the defendants would be greater; obtaining an acquittal would require an examination of the overall DNA evidence similar to that done by order of the Hellmann court in Italy. **

The Italian courts are relatively weak in their criteria for the admissiblity of evidence, probably a residual effect of their previous fully inquisitional system.

* https://legaldictionary.net/malicious-prosecution/

** See, for example:

Legal Standards and Procedures; The Defendant's Right to Discovery; Expertise; General Acceptance and Sound Methodology. Laboratory Error.

Part IV: Pretrial Proceedings

IIRC, the Marasca CSC panel MR accused the investigation - led by prosecutor Mignini and conducted by the Italian state police (from Perugia and Rome) of the Kercher urder/rape case of "amnesia" and "glaring (clamorous) failures (deficiencies)" among other faults.

Some posters here, IIUC, claim that the police and prosecutor had no reason to falsify or coerce any statements. Those posters claim essentially that the police involved in the case followed the law. However, facts reported since the impugned investigation show that certain of the key police officers in the Knox - Sollecito case in fact are willing and capable of breaking the law.



There were a series of 100s of illegal computer inquiries in the police data system regarding one or more persons involved in Napoleoni's divorce and subsequent proceedings. An automobile was vandalized and threats were written on it.





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Guilters such as Vixen and previous poster Machiavelli have consistently acted as lapdogs and mouthpieces for the prosecution and because of this I suspect the TJMK and PMF hate sites are connected to the prosecution. In view of this guilters will never acknowledge any wrongdoing on the part of the prosecution and will defend them regardless of their actions.
 
Guilters such as Vixen and previous poster Machiavelli have consistently acted as lapdogs and mouthpieces for the prosecution and because of this I suspect the TJMK and PMF hate sites are connected to the prosecution. In view of this guilters will never acknowledge any wrongdoing on the part of the prosecution and will defend them regardless of their actions.


Machiavelli actually posted that he knew Mignini and even talked to him about the case.


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When you get around to offering evidence of US State Department and Mafia involvement, wake me up.


Here you go:

A source at the State Department said: “There is a feeling that the whole case is fl awed and that a US citizen should not have to go to jail because of that. If there is an extradition request from Italy it will be denied.” DAILY EXPRESS
 

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