Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Mycroft said:
That speaks to your personal experience. I was talking about the experience of trans-people.
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No, you were answering a question. The question was, what do transwomen have in common with women that they don't also have in common with men.

The "desire to live as a woman" is not something you'll find many woman agreeing is part of their makeup.
 
Rolfe said:
The "desire to live as a woman" is not something you'll find many woman agreeing is part of their makeup.
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The obligations of "living like a woman", as dictated by men, is what women have been pushing back on for decades, from "doing all the housework" to "always placing men's needs ahead of their own". In most western societies those obligations are now reduced to those dictated purely by biology. That's why the actual answer to your question is "absolutely nothing".
 
Pixel42 said:
The obligations of "living like a woman", as dictated by men, is what women have been pushing back on for decades, from "doing all the housework" to "always placing men's needs ahead of their own".
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Yes, OK.
Pixel42 said:
In most western societies those obligations are now reduced to those dictated purely by biology.
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That's not true. Obligations by western societies are now female dominance by way of construction. Sort of an overflow of DEI into the domestic realm. But I do not know if that belongs to the subject you are discussing. I mean, does it apply to what the so-called transsexuals wants to achieve or are they more interested in shuffling their feet and wearing fluffy pink house slippers all day long?
 
Pixel42 said:
The obligations of "living like a woman", as dictated by men, is what women have been pushing back on for decades, from "doing all the housework" to "always placing men's needs ahead of their own". In most western societies those obligations are now reduced to those dictated purely by biology. That's why the actual answer to your question is "absolutely nothing".
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Instead of saying, "The desire to live as women" I should have just said, "they identify as women."
 
Pixel42 said:
In a world in which the only differences between men's and women's lives are those dictated by their biological differences, that simply makes no sense.
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It makes sense to me and it makes sense to transwomen. I can't help if it doesn't make sense to you.

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Pixel42 said:
The obligations of "living like a woman", as dictated by men, is what women have been pushing back on for decades, from "doing all the housework" to "always placing men's needs ahead of their own". In most western societies those obligations are now reduced to those dictated purely by biology. That's why the actual answer to your question is "absolutely nothing".
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Here you list things that have nothing to do with biology.
 
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Pixel42 said:
Well, this is a sceptics forum. I expect those who want to impose their beliefs on me to be able to support them.
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Should I list additional attributes of women that have nothing to do with biology?
 
Mycroft said:
I don't see how it's functionally meaningless. Even for a cis-woman, living as a woman is not meaningless.
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Women don't have to think about what "living as a woman" means. Why? because they are women - they do that without thinking about it, as automatically as you and I breathe and blink our eyes. Women never have to think about, or worry about whether they pass as a woman. All of this is because they ARE female - its innate behaviour, born of millions of years of evolution.

Transwomen, on the other hand, have to constantly think about how they are going to pass for what they desire to be. It is never going to come naturally for them. This is because they are biologically male. They were born that way, driven by their testosterone and millions of years of evolution. This will never ever change. They will never be female.

If you truly believe that transwomen are women because they are indistinguishable from women, then let us all know when you discover one that has the following biological attributes

- has female skeletal characteristics
- possesses a uterus, ovaries, and a vagina
- menstruates
- produces ova
- can get pregnant
- can give birth

Any individual who does not at least one of these attributes cannot be a woman.
 
smartcooky said:
Women don't have to think about what "living as a woman" means. Why? because they are women - they do that without thinking about it, as automatically as you and I breathe and blink our eyes. Women never have to think about, or worry about whether they pass as a woman. All of this is because they ARE female - its innate behaviour, born of millions of years of evolution.
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I agree with you only up to the point of "being ladylike" and "Finishing Schools".
 
Mycroft said:
Should I list additional attributes of women that have nothing to do with biology?
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Yes, that's exactly what Rolfe has been asking you to do. Attributes of women that are nothing to do with biology, and which transwomen share with women but not with men. To justify your currently unsupported assertion that transwomen are a subset of women.
 
Pixel42 said:
Yes, that's exactly what Rolfe has been asking you to do. Attributes of women that are nothing to do with biology, and which transwomen share with women but not with men. To justify your currently unsupported assertion that transwomen are a subset of women.
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Good luck with that.
 
Mycroft said:
Isn't this you saying trans-people act as though clothing is costume?
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No, it absolutely isn’t. Trace it back a little farther, till you get to Trausti’s post that you responded to. You have clearly forgotten what you were talking about.
 
Mycroft said:
Here you list things that have nothing to do with biology.
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Only just noticed this edit.

I list supposed characteristics of women (dictated by and for men) which have nothing to do with biology, and point out that women have fought against and rejected them. It's only transwomen who seem to want to perpetuate such outmoded gender stereotypes.
 
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