Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

It's something I was entirely unaware of, although now I have read the Wikipedia article I know what is being referred to. Seems like a really weird thing to do, but on the other hand a lot of people might find some of the practical courses I did at university relating to animal reproduction to be beyond weird. How on earth I was supposed to infer any of this from Thermal's post I have absolutely no idea.

I return to my observation that this is the very definition of argumentum ad hominem, as this incident is being used to avoid addressing the substance of the Bailey/Blanchard article (perversely referred to as a "letter") other than a bald declaration that it "lacks anything of value to the discussion". Both Bailey and Blanchard are reputable experts in this field, and while I might take issue with their approach in a number of ways, dismissing them as "notorious cranks" because of a single demonstration by Bailey which might have been an error of judgement is simply evasion.
You're still wrong. You continue to pretend not to understand the difference between the words "because" and 'and", and I'm 110% done with you pretending to be this obtuse.

Eta: btw, the way you were supposed to infer it from.Thermal's post" is that it was spelled out and described in plain English. There were no great powers of inferring needed.

And an "error of judgement"? Give me a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ break. It was ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ whacked out.
 
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Liar. Not one word you posted refutes one word that I posted. I never said it was 'a required part of the course' or any of the other bull ◊◊◊◊ you threw in.

As I've said more than a couple times, I just thought it was hysterical that of all the possible credible researchers she could have relied on, she chooses Professor ◊◊◊◊ Saw. It's just a freaking comedy skit at this point.
You're a liar. I said four separate times that it was the author of Rolfe's letter. I said so clearly and repeatedly. Stop lying.
You should take it easy with this.
 
There is no "and" anywhere in your responses.
A person
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would be able to see that I said... clearly... "omg I forgot about this guy, it's prof ◊◊◊◊ saw!"

Rolfe, do you understand that? It is not even a criticism.of the article, not do I even say a word about the article. That's why your claim of an ad hom falls flat on its face. I never said "this article is not credible because of its author". I just laughed hysterically at that particular home boy being invoked out of the blue.

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You seem.to be wrestling with some pretty basic stuff here.
 
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A person of normal reading comprehension would be able to see that I said... clearly... "omg I forgot about this guy, it's prof ◊◊◊◊ saw!"

Rolfe, do you understand that? It is not even a criticism.of the article, not do I even say a word about the article. That's why your claim of an ad hom falls flat on its face. I never said "this article is not credible because of its author". I just laughed hysterically at that particular home boy being invoked out of the blue.

Is English your primary language? You seem.to be wrestling with some pretty basic stuff here.

There is no "and" anywhere in your responses, as I said. No attempt to engage with the substance of the article. Merely a puerile name-calling rant referencing an incident involving one of the two authors which I had never heard of, and giving no clue at all as to either who or what you were talking about.

If repeatedly asking what you were referring to, and being equally baffled because none of your responses mentioned the name "Bailey" or described the incident in question, is staring blankly at the sky, then too bad really.

So, you have nothing at all to say about the article. If that is not "because" you fell about laughing like a 10 year old schoolboy hearing a smutty joke because of an incident you were aware of concerning one of the authors, then it sure as hell looks like it.
 
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Fact: Cisgender biological males are 5 times more likely to be sex offenders than biological females.
Fact: Transgender biological males (i.e. Transwomen) are 3.5 times more likely to be sex offenders than cisgender biological males
Fact: Transgender biological males (i.e. Transwomen) are 18 times more likely to be sex offenders than biological males

This is the kind of thing I mean. You guys say things over and over that make no sense.

Because the highlighted word was a typo, it obviously should have been "females."

Which no one noticed or corrected, instead going on for literal pages of mutual accusations of deliberate obfuscation or incomprehension.

Bartender, another round of poor communication, for the house!
 
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Because the highlighted word was a typo, it obviously should have been "females."

Which no one noticed or corrected, instead going on for literal pages of mutual accusations of deliberate obfuscation or incomprehension.

Bartender, another round of poor communication, for the house!
The sad thing is, none of this bickering is necessary. @Thermal already agrees that there is no good reason for trans identified men to transcend sex segregation boundaries.
 
There is no "and" anywhere in your responses, as I said.
Correct. Nor was there a stated or implied "because". Do I need to break out the crayons?
No attempt to engage with the substance of the article.
Correct. It was a joke, criticized later.
Merely a puerile name-calling rant referencing an incident involving one of the two authors which I had never heard of, and giving no clue at all as to either who or what you were talking about.
Do you recall me specifically saying the "lead author" in one of my responses? I'll go dig it up if you are playing dumb again. Do you know what a "lead author" refers to?
If repeatedly asking what you were referring to, and being equally baffled because none of your responses mentioned the name "Bailey" or described the incident in question, is staring blankly at the sky, then too bad really.
No, you stared blankly at the sky (that means not responding) to multiple questions put to you about your dodgy posts. By the time you invoked Professor ◊◊◊◊ Saw, I was already testy with your refusal to accept criticism of your postings. Er, I mean dimwitted tweeters.
So, you have nothing at all to say about the article.
I have already criticized it. Don't tell me: you didn't understand? Allow me to repeat: it contains no information that is externally supported (beyond a few tangential links to other studies) and makes factually wrong statements about AGP. One that I recall was the authors saying they didn't know how many trans people were affected by it, but they kinda thought it was 75% (no citation, of course). All the other research indicates 1-3%.
If that is not "because" you fell about laughing like a 10 year old schoolboy hearing a smutty joke because of an incident you were aware of concerning one of the authors, then it sure as hell looks like it.
Ya I laugh at stuff. I had forgotten about him and his dildo-modified reciprocating saw, as it was a long time ago. But yes, myself and countless others found that to be so outlandish (it's a tool I use regularly and can appreciate the power and speed more than many here) that it is like something out of a very twisted mind's dark comedy skit to even picture.

However, I'll retract the post. Anything to be done with this. You win. Well done.
 
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Because the highlighted word was a typo, it obviously should have been "females."

Which no one noticed or corrected, instead going on for literal pages of mutual accusations of deliberate obfuscation or incomprehension.

Bartender, another round of poor communication, for the house!

I realised it was a typo when I first read it. I thought it was obvious. Maybe I should have said something. (I reached for the edit button, realised there wasn't one - wrong forum - and moved on.)
 
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Because the highlighted word was a typo, it obviously should have been "females."
No no no no! That's one way it might have made sense. Or it might have been the intended word, and another word or two might have been the wrong ones. Only the author can clarify. He refused.
Which no one noticed or corrected, instead going on for literal pages of mutual accusations of deliberate obfuscation or incomprehension.
No one noticed or corrected? Really? I noticed, and called specific attention to it twice, and the knucklehead still couldn't figure it out, instead blaming me for copping out instead of reading his own "facts".
Bartender, another round of poor communication, for the house!
I feel like I communicated as clearly as could be. I isolated the meaningless "facts", and pointed out it made no sense. The response given was snottiness, by the guy that can't read.
 
I realised it was a typo when I first read it. I thought it was obvious. Maybe I should have said something. (I reached for the edit button, realised there wasn't one - wrong forum - and moved on.)
It wasn't your post, so editing would have been a challenge.

And yes, it was obviously a mistake, I just couldn't be sure which part. The author found himself in your claimed position- suddenly unable to read.
 
Correct. Nor was there a stated or implied "because". Do I need to break out the crayons?

Correct. It was a joke, criticized later.

Do you recall me specifically saying the "lead author" in one of my responses? I'll go dig it up if you are playing dumb again. Do you know what a "lead author" refers to?

No, you stared blankly at the sky (that means not responding) to multiple questions put to you about your dodgy posts. By the time you invoked Professor ◊◊◊◊ Saw, I was already testy with your refusal to accept criticism of your postings. Er, I mean dimwitted tweeters.

I have already criticized it. Don't tell me: you didn't understand? Allow me to repeat: it contains no information that is externally supported (beyond a few tangential links to other studies) and makes factually wrong statements about AGP. One that I recall was the authors saying they didn't know how many trans people were affected by it, but they kinda thought it was 75% (no citation, of course). All the other research indicates 1-3%.

Ya I laugh at stuff. I had forgotten about him and his dildo-modified reciprocating saw, as it was a long time ago. But yes, myself and countless others found that to be so outlandish (it's a tool I use regularly and can appreciate the power and speed more than many here) that it is like something out of a very twisted mind's dark comedy skit to even picture.

However, I'll retract the post. Anything to be done with this. You win. Well done.

There certainly appeared to be an implied "because". Not so much of a joke, merely a puerile rant comparable to the sniggering of a ten-year-old boy who has heard a smutty joke. No, I don't recall you saying "lead author" as it happens. I tend to think of the article as Blanchard's work, because it's more his area of expertise, the names were probably in alphabetical order.

You don't do criticism of anybody's posts, you simply deny any validity to anything that counters your world-view about the poor helpless, harmless, oppressed, marginalised ladybrains we should all be nice to. Or else.

The article is an overview of Blanchard's (in particular) work and publications. It's not an academic paper. You have given no details about what you think is "factually wrong", or any references to support that assertion. And be warned, we all know about the TRA-published rubbish that's on a par with the stuff published in the Journal of Homoeopathy that homeopaths use to try to fend off criticisms that shaken-up sugar pills are not medicine. Anyone who thinks that only 3% of TIMs are AGP is delusional. It's quite possible that 3% of the general male population is AGP though.

You make the schoolboy error of assuming that everyone else has heard of an old incident that amuses your schoolboy mind. It seems outlandish to me too, but then I am not a sexologist. I suspect that you have to be a bit nuts to be a sexologist in the first place. However, I bear in mind that people in a particular academic speciality can become blind to how their daily work appears to other people. Three of us veterinary pathologists once emptied a restaurant with our conversation about canine faeces. It wouldn't be hard to write a hilarious "ooh matron!" description of several of my undergraduate practical classes, which involved items you would probably describe as dildos, and other items called artificial vaginas (which had to be kept warm with warm water, I actually do remember a student skit about that, "please hurry up Dr Selman, my vagina's getting cold!"), and sundry innocent farm animals. Still, glad you found something to amuse you.

For clarification. I do not accept any man in women's single-sex spaces, and I will wait until a maintenance man has finished, or ask him to leave if necessary while I use the facilities. Normal, decent men are quite happy to do this. It's not a question of "maybe he'll rape me!" It's a question of modesty, decency and propriety. And neither a doctor's certificate to say this man thinks he's a woman, nor a note from his mum saying that he's a nice boy and wouldn't harm a fly, will change my mind.

However, the actual nature of these men who are so insistent that absolutely nothing with a sign saying "women" should be closed to them needs to be more widely understood. Maybe that will choke off some of the nonsense about believing they are who they say they are, and being respectful to them, and all the rest.

And if you don't like that, too bad.
 
There certainly appeared to be an implied "because". Not so much of a joke, merely a puerile rant comparable to the sniggering of a ten-year-old boy who has heard a smutty joke. No, I don't recall you saying "lead author" as it happens. I tend to think of the article as Blanchard's work, because it's more his area of expertise, the names were probably in alphabetical order.

You don't do criticism of anybody's posts, you simply deny any validity to anything that counters your world-view about the poor helpless, harmless, oppressed, marginalised ladybrains we should all be nice to. Or else.

The article is an overview of Blanchard's (in particular) work and publications. It's not an academic paper. You have given no details about what you think is "factually wrong", or any references to support that assertion. And be warned, we all know about the TRA-published rubbish that's on a par with the stuff published in the Journal of Homoeopathy that homeopaths use to try to fend off criticisms that shaken-up sugar pills are not medicine. Anyone who thinks that only 3% of TIMs are AGP is delusional. It's quite possible that 3% of the general male population is AGP though.

You make the schoolboy error of assuming that everyone else has heard of an old incident that amuses your schoolboy mind. It seems outlandish to me too, but then I am not a sexologist. I suspect that you have to be a bit nuts to be a sexologist in the first place. However, I bear in mind that people in a particular academic speciality can become blind to how their daily work appears to other people. Three of us veterinary pathologists once emptied a restaurant with our conversation about canine faeces. It wouldn't be hard to write a hilarious "ooh matron!" description of several of my undergraduate practical classes, which involved items you would probably describe as dildos, and other items called artificial vaginas (which had to be kept warm with warm water, I actually do remember a student skit about that, "please hurry up Dr Selman, my vagina's getting cold!"), and sundry innocent farm animals. Still, glad you found something to amuse you.

For clarification. I do not accept any man in women's single-sex spaces, and I will wait until a maintenance man has finished, or ask him to leave if necessary while I use the facilities. Normal, decent men are quite happy to do this. It's not a question of "maybe he'll rape me!" It's a question of modesty, decency and propriety. And neither a doctor's certificate to say this man thinks he's a woman, nor a note from his mum saying that he's a nice boy and wouldn't harm a fly, will change my mind.

However, the actual nature of these men who are so insistent that absolutely nothing with a sign saying "women" should be closed to them needs to be more widely understood. Maybe that will choke off some of the nonsense about believing they are who they say they are, and being respectful to them, and all the rest.

And if you don't like that, too bad.
Great thanks you win. Done with this ◊◊◊◊.
 
It wasn't your post, so editing would have been a challenge.

And yes, it was obviously a mistake, I just couldn't be sure which part. The author found himself in your claimed position- suddenly unable to read.

In the other forum I am a moderator, and regularly correct things like that.
 

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