Who should run for the Dems?

What Booker did was textbook Controlled Opposition: a Stunt that was a minor inconvenience and gives the rest of your Party cover not to do anything else.
Dems can do so many things to slow Republicans down, not by a day but weeks and months, but they don't.

Actual resistance looks different.
 
ahhell said:
I didn't make it front and center,
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yes you did
ahhell said:
I was responding to posts by others.
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No. You even admitted it was scaremongering.
ahhell said:
My point, perhaps not clear is not that that issue matters particularly
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Thats actually what this is all about.
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but that is emblematic of the modern democratic party, they simply believe things almost nobody else does including most of their own voters.
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No, you're asserting things that aren't true.
ahhell said:
That is why it matters. It's an extension of Latinx. A term that only a vanishingly small percentage of people ever used but a group of people influential in the democratic party and one that seems completely unaware of that.

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So, its nonsense that only affects a small group and isn't really a major concern to voters?

Great, lets move on and yo ucan take your further scaremongering to the other thread.
 
ahhell said:
For the most part I don't want republicans to get elected so I don't care what they they think about vaccines. I want a dem candidate with the widest appeal that has to be one who's willing side with 80% of the electorate.
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So, you want a mayonnaise sandwich of a human being that doesn't actually believe in anything?

Personally, I'd prefer someone who has a spine and a plan beyond "just keep doing what we've always been doing!"
 
The Great Zaganza said:
What Booker did was textbook Controlled Opposition: a Stunt that was a minor inconvenience and gives the rest of your Party cover not to do anything else.
Dems can do so many things to slow Republicans down, not by a day but weeks and months, but they don't.

Actual resistance looks different.
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I'm so desperate to see actual life from them, I'm willing to give him a chance. Of course, he has now raised the bar of what we should expect from even the most centrist of Democrats. Little signs at Trump speeches ain't gonna cover it. We know they can filibuster and disrupt.
 
AmyStrange said:
I hope so too.

I remember watching an awesome speech by Obama (I can't remember where, and maybe it was at the Democratic Convention, but it was before he ran for President), and after that, a lot of folks said he should run, and he did and won.

It's at least a good precedent, but I'm still hoping Al Franken will run in the future, if only to watch his debate, because it'll be like watching a live-action (real life) SNL skit.

Chances are Franken won't though, because a lot of people don't like him, but I can always hope, right?


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It was Obama's speech at the 2004 Democratic convention. It was damn clear he was an amazing sudden star and should run.
 
johnny karate said:
Almost 50% of that electorate voted for conspiracy theories and anti-vaxxerism. That means they're aligned with those things or didn't care enough to not vote against them.

Either way, your insistence that Democrats lost because they didn't appeal to the sensible-minded concerns of voters is a fantasy.
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50/50 electorate means the margins matter. But no, you're right, they should not take positions that large majorities agree with, they should really keep taking positions that appeal to the small minority of voters.
 
ahhell said:
50/50 electorate means the margins matter. But no, you're right, they should not take positions that large majorities agree with, they should really keep taking positions that appeal to the small minority of voters.
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More people voted for conspiracy theories and anti-vaxxerism in 2024 than didn't. The idea that politicians should take positions solely based on what the majority of people think remains intellectually bankrupt.
 
johnny karate said:
More people voted for conspiracy theories and anti-vaxxerism in 2024 than didn't.
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Whose fault do you think that is?
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The idea that politicians should take positions solely based on what the majority of people think remains intellectually bankrupt.
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If I lie to you on a regular basis will you trust me? Will you support me? Will you vote for me?
 
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Whose fault do you think that is?
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Primarily, Fox News, Republican politicians, and the rest of the right wing progandists that have rotted the brains of millions of people with a nonstop firehouse of lies and bigotry. And then there's the people themselves for falling for it.

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If I lie to you on a regular basis will you trust me? Will you support me? Will you vote for me?
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Not me personally. But I know about 77 million other people who might.
 
Hercules56 said:
It was Obama's speech at the 2004 Democratic convention. It was damn clear he was an amazing sudden star and should run.
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But, it wasn't his turn. You can't just run someone for president because he brings an exciting energy and will likely spark record turnout of people who are hyped on his message of hope and change*. It has to be the person who has waited the longest and has the most big donors on their side. Someone who feels the presidency is owed to them and anyone who disagrees is a bad person who hates women/minorities/gays/whoever.


*yes, I realize the substance of Obama's campaign was mostly centrist neoliberalism and he governed that way, but he didn't go around yelling "elect me so I can continue the status quo!" and he didn't act like it was his coronation tour.
 
johnny karate said:
Primarily, Fox News, Republican politicians, and the rest of the right wing progandists that have rotted the brains of millions of people with a nonstop firehouse of lies and bigotry. And then there's the people themselves for falling for it.
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Plus russian bots. Wink-wink.
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Not me personally. But I know about 77 million other people who might.
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And did.

Idiots.
 
Hercules56 said:
Please explain how people without social security numbers pay federal taxes.

Thanks in advance.

Please explain why an illegal worker would file federal tax returns and pay federal taxes knowing they would expose themselves to detention and deportation by ICE.

Thanks in advance.
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Well gosh. Here I am sitting at the northern end of the Salinas Valley, a place filled with agriculture, and I am surrounded by artichokes. So lemme tell you how it works...

All the farms here pay by check. Maybe some pay under the table but that is a huge risk because the state (California) and the Feds (IRS) are on the lookout for this kind of thing. Fines are issued, land can be seized, and people go to jail. To get around this stolen SSI numbers are used. There is a serious industry based around the cashing of these payroll checks that has quietly taken root in the state. There are supermarkets designed for the migrant community featuring goods, and name brands from south of the border. Prominently positioned at the front of the store is a check-cashing window where farm workers line up to cash their paychecks for a small fee. The groceries in these stores tend to run well above the discount chains, but the farm workers still shop there.

So at each step, taxes are paid. Payroll tax, SSI, unemployment, and sales taxes. Just like everyone else in the US, they are taxes here and there whenever they make a purchase.

Not sure how they get away with the fake social security number thing, but the black market is robust, and numbers are changed often.

And ICE isn't as good as the right wing thinks it is as far as rounding up illegals. Some of this is due to lack of local law enforcement cooperation, some is due to the systemic problems between Social Security Admin communicating fraud to ICE, as the FBI. and Secret Service get first crack at such cases. ICE is usually brought in as an afterthought.

Maybe read some Steinbeck sometime. Nothing has changed since the Grapes of Wrath.
 
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