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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 9

Clutch Cargo said:
More non-sense.
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I guess the real question is, what point are you trying to make? I don't think anyone has a lot of interest in playing whack-a-mole with what you're trying to say here.

What's your take on the current situation in Ukraine\Russia? How do you think it should end?
 
there is a thread for conspiracy theories about the war. This is not it.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jimbob
 
Andy_Ross said:
Donald: "As you know, the Europeans get paid back the money they gave, and we don’t because Biden is an incompetent president. We could be in for $350B; they have no idea because Biden wasn’t a good bookkeeper, except for himself."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906843402622075006
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I really have no idea why he would think Ukraine is going to be paying "the Europeans".
 
Taking a break from the political nonsense, there's a lot of heartening news coming from Ukraine.

There's the increased tempo of deep strikes against Russian logistical and energy infrastructure.

There's the increased use of the new western jets to intercept Russian cruise missiles and provide air support for Ukrainian assaults.

The Kursk incursion seems to have been wildly profitable for the Ukrainians. It ground away reserves that had been intended to sustain Russian momentum in other directions, and gobbled up a substantial amount of the North Korean contingent.

Meanwhile, Ukraine has accomplished some significant reversals around Luhansk and Toretsk.

While Russia has seemingly ground down its elite units to impotent nubs, Ukraine has been growing its cadre of special forces. They now have several brigade-sized veteran units, specializing in infantry assaults and drone warfare. These units have been fielded to great effect in the Kursk, Toretsk, and Luhansk directions.

In addition to these elite veteran units, Ukraine has also been able to pull regular troops off the front lines, to capitalize on the lessons learned in combat, before sending them back to the front as veteran formations, to great effect.

Perhaps the most significant development is the upgrade of the elite 3rd Assault Brigade to a full corps. This new 3rd Army Corps unifies five brigades under a single command structure, centered around the veteran 3rd Brigade. This new corps will enable larger, more coordinated operations across a wider front. Instead of separate brigades each doing their own thing in their sector, with limited coordination, the five brigades can be used in concert with each other. This reduces weak spots between uncoordinated brigades, and allows for timely follow-through on any one brigade's successes. It also means coordination of an entire corps' worth of artillery, logistics, air support, and other combat support resources.

There's a lot going on in Ukraine, and a lot of it is in Ukraine's favor. No thanks to Trump.

Heroiam slava. Slava Ukraine.
 
Another thing Ukraine is doing that the Russians aren't is cycling units out of the front line for rest and re-equipping.
It was found in WW2 by both the US Army and the British that after 30 to 40 days a unit is exhausted and it's effectiveness rapidly diminishes.

Russia haven't ever learned this lesson, they keep a unit in the line until it is effectively destroyed.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Another thing Ukraine is doing that the Russians aren't is cycling units out of the front line for rest and re-equipping.
It was found in WW2 by both the US Army and the British that after 30 to 40 days a unit is exhausted and it's effectiveness rapidly diminishes.

Russia haven't ever learned this lesson, they keep a unit in the line until it is effectively destroyed.
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That has been a hard learned lesson. It's still an uphill battle to get rid the Soviet mindset among many Ukrainian officers, but things are definitely improving.
 
Hercules Rockefeller said:
Both. Really taking the war to the protected elites.
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The way to take the war to the protected elites is with sanctions.

I don't doubt Ukraine would raze an entire city block in Moscow, if they thought they had a solid chance of killing Putin or his top generals in the process. But they're not going to target civilians just for the sake of targeting civilians. Not even the well-to-do civilians who are living in Moscow and insulated from the realities of the war.

They're already hitting logistics and energy targets in the Moscow area and beyond.
 
theprestige said:
The way to take the war to the protected elites is with sanctions.

I don't doubt Ukraine would raze an entire city block in Moscow, if they thought they had a solid chance of killing Putin or his top generals in the process. But they're not going to target civilians just for the sake of targeting civilians. Not even the well-to-do civilians who are living in Moscow and insulated from the realities of the war.

They're already hitting logistics and energy targets in the Moscow area and beyond.
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I was thinking more of the homes of propagandists from RT and the like. I'm fairly sure Ukraine have some restrictions imposed on them re: targeting Moscow, even using their own weapons.
 
Hercules Rockefeller said:
I was thinking more of the homes of propagandists from RT and the like. I'm fairly sure Ukraine have some restrictions imposed on them re: targeting Moscow, even using their own weapons.
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Enh. I doubt the homes of the propagandists would be valuable strategic targets. Ukraine has a lot of work to do, and limited resources. The psychological impact of unhousing Solovyev probably isn't worth the opportunity cost of not hitting another oil depot or rail junction. Ukraine is fighting a war of survival, not playing a game of tit-for-tat see-how-you-like-it.

ETA: That's my take, anyway. I could be wrong, no matter how much I doubt that I am.
 
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Trump has just removed sanctions from the wife of one of Putin's closest friends.

Karina Rotenberg has just been removed from the OFAC sanctions list. She is married to Boris Rotenberg, a Russian oligarch and longtime loyalist of President Vladimir Putin.
 
theprestige said:
Taking a break from the political nonsense, there's a lot of heartening news coming from Ukraine.

There's the increased tempo of deep strikes against Russian logistical and energy infrastructure.

There's the increased use of the new western jets to intercept Russian cruise missiles and provide air support for Ukrainian assaults.

The Kursk incursion seems to have been wildly profitable for the Ukrainians. It ground away reserves that had been intended to sustain Russian momentum in other directions, and gobbled up a substantial amount of the North Korean contingent.

Meanwhile, Ukraine has accomplished some significant reversals around Luhansk and Toretsk.

While Russia has seemingly ground down its elite units to impotent nubs, Ukraine has been growing its cadre of special forces. They now have several brigade-sized veteran units, specializing in infantry assaults and drone warfare. These units have been fielded to great effect in the Kursk, Toretsk, and Luhansk directions.

In addition to these elite veteran units, Ukraine has also been able to pull regular troops off the front lines, to capitalize on the lessons learned in combat, before sending them back to the front as veteran formations, to great effect.

Perhaps the most significant development is the upgrade of the elite 3rd Assault Brigade to a full corps. This new 3rd Army Corps unifies five brigades under a single command structure, centered around the veteran 3rd Brigade. This new corps will enable larger, more coordinated operations across a wider front. Instead of separate brigades each doing their own thing in their sector, with limited coordination, the five brigades can be used in concert with each other. This reduces weak spots between uncoordinated brigades, and allows for timely follow-through on any one brigade's successes. It also means coordination of an entire corps' worth of artillery, logistics, air support, and other combat support resources.

There's a lot going on in Ukraine, and a lot of it is in Ukraine's favor. No thanks to Trump.

Heroiam slava. Slava Ukraine.
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I appreciate those good news, but some links would be nice.
 
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