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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 9

Kremlin Statement:

Russia and the United States have agreed on a temporary 30-day moratorium, starting March 18, 2025, prohibiting attacks on certain Russian and Ukrainian energy-related infrastructure. The agreement covers:
1. Oil refineries
2. Oil and gas pipelines, storage facilities, and pumping stations
3. Power generation and transmission systems (including plants, substations, transformers, and distributors)
4. Nuclear power plants
5. Hydroelectric dams

The moratorium can be extended by mutual agreement. If either side violates the terms, the other may consider the agreement null and void.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Kremlin Statement:

Russia and the United States have agreed on a temporary 30-day moratorium, starting March 18, 2025, prohibiting attacks on certain Russian and Ukrainian energy-related infrastructure. The agreement covers:
1. Oil refineries
2. Oil and gas pipelines, storage facilities, and pumping stations
3. Power generation and transmission systems (including plants, substations, transformers, and distributors)
4. Nuclear power plants
5. Hydroelectric dams

The moratorium can be extended by mutual agreement. If either side violates the terms, the other may consider the agreement null and void.
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Ukraine doesn't seem to be a party to that agreement.
 
theprestige said:
Don't see why it would, but it's been a while since I read up on the Montreux Convention. What's your reasoning?
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My reasoning? I didn't know the answer so I reasoned that asking a question might fix that.

I recall that Turkey closes the Bosphorus to belligerents' navies and wondered if a ceasefire limited to action in the Black Sea was a sufficient reason to permit them to pass.
 
Moscow said a maritime truce to allow safe passage for commercial vessels would only begin once Western restrictions on Russia's food and fertiliser trade had been lifted.

Zelensky says he hopes the US will "stand strong" in the face of Russian demands to lift sanctions as a condition for a ceasefire in the Black Sea.

He must know Donald will roll and give Putin whatever he wants and Ukraine will be painted as the bad guys.
 
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte:

"There will be no normalization of relations with Russia when the war is over. That will not happen. That will take decades because there is a total lack of confidence, even if the war comes to a conclusion, the Russian threat is still there."
 
I have just read a really depressing, detailed report from The Telegraph that sums up the deal Trump and Putin have for Ukraine. It stinks. Ukraine gets ripped off and impoverished in multiple ways, Putin gets all his economic power back and normalised relations with the USA. The USA commits to nothing in defence of Ukraine,
 
The restrictions on the billions of dollars of Russian cash that Europe holds automatically expires in a few months. It only takes one pro Russian EU state to veto the renewal.

They should immediately hand it all over to Ukraine now. ◊◊◊◊◊ about to hit the fan.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte:

"There will be no normalization of relations with Russia when the war is over. That will not happen. That will take decades because there is a total lack of confidence, even if the war comes to a conclusion, the Russian threat is still there."
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Same with relations to the USA. Things won't go back to normal for a long time, if they ever do. Probably they won't.
 
in the latest news from Russian, Putin says exactly the same thing he has been saying all along.
Russian President Vladimir Putin called Friday for a "transitional administration" to be put in place in Ukraine and vowed his army would "finish off" Ukrainian troops, in hardline remarks as US President Donald Trump pushes for a ceasefire.

A rapprochement between Washington and Moscow since Trump's return to office and the US leader's threats to stop supporting Kyiv have bolstered Putin's confidence more than three years into an offensive that has killed tens of thousands on both sides.

The renewed call to essentially topple Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky was the latest demonstration of the Kremlin leader's long-standing desire to install a more Moscow-friendly regime in Kyiv.
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For some reason this has angered Trump.
President Donald Trump on Sunday said he’s “very angry” and “p————— off” at Russian President Vladimir Putin’s call for a "transitional administration” in Ukraine as the U.S. president pushes Russia and Ukraine for a ceasefire.
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Because Donald isn't going to get his Nobel if Putin doesn't do as he's told.

Tariffs are the answer apparently.

Donald is finding out what people have told him from the start.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Donald: "As you know, the Europeans get paid back the money they gave, and we don’t because Biden is an incompetent president. We could be in for $350B; they have no idea because Biden wasn’t a good bookkeeper, except for himself."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906843402622075006
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When golfing he actually asked Mark Rutte "Do you think I can trust Putin"? The man makes a bag of hammers look smart.
 
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