Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

The new intersectionalistm...

When a whistleblower claimed that the charity LGBT Youth Scotland had advised teenagers to use sterilised blades if they were self-harming, the reaction was a mix of horror and disbelief. How can a youth advocacy organisation condone such behaviour under the guise of safeguarding? And, more disturbingly, has this sort of advice become common practice?

Self-harm among adolescents and young adults is one of the defining mental health challenges of our time. Between April 2022 and March 2023, there were 73,239 emergency hospital admissions for intentional self-harm in England, equating to a rate of 126.3 per 100,000 people. While the numbers are widely reported, less scrutiny is given to how professionals should respond. Harm-minimisation strategies, which were once a last resort, are now sliding into the mainstream. With them comes a moral dilemma: when does seeking to reduce harm morph into enabling behaviour?

Why is LGBT Youth Scotland offering ‘clean blade’ advice for self-harm?
 
It seems to me that the people dismissing this article with "It's only one or two people and they weren't even trans themselves" are missing the point. It's about the culture of acceptance of paedophiles within the T part of the laughingly-named LGBTQ+++ "community" (which is all about the T and the Q, and which vilifies the L part). That dodgy guys are not checked up on for a dodgy past, that their dodgy activities are at best ignored, and that when they're finally brought to book, the organisations they founded show not the slightest degree of self-reflection, and no sign at all that they intend to improve their child safeguarding procedures. The offenders are simply erased, and it's business as usual.



When these organisations, and the organisations that support them - like the Liberal Democrats, the Green Party and indeed the SNP - start taking this situation seriously and calling for a root-and-branch reform to ensure that there are no more of the same still in the fold and that no more will be able to join, when they start ensuring that everyone in contact with children is thoroughly vetted and DBS checked, when they start pro-actively promoting safeguarding and react with due horror to any atrocity that nevertheless happens, I might stop saying, burn the lot of them. That time is not yet.
It's the same issue with the Drag stuff. There've been several cases of drag performers involved with very young children that have ended up being pedophiles. But the organizations supporting drag story hour, or drag performance days for young kids, or primary school kids dressing in drag-like clothing and shaking their behinds for dollars alongside drag performers don't take it seriously. Instead, we get a refrain about how horrible we are for pointing out the lack of safeguarding and appropriateness. We get called names for saying "hey, why didn't anyone vet this drag performer who was waggling their crotch at kids, and see that they were a sex offender who committed crimes against children in the past?". But none of those organizations have come forward to say "Holy cow, that's a problem, we're changing our policies and doing everything we can to make sure this never happens again!"

Look, not all priests are pedos. But nobody has a problem with people criticizing the entire catholic church for having sheltered child abusing priests, for having turned a blind eye to it, and for having ignored the issue for years. No other group or organization should be given a pass for it either, in my view.
 
It's not the sort of thing women do. Although the look on one woman's face is worth a thousand words. There were indeed several women standing right next to him. The emboldenment of the AGP fetish is yet another problem. If I see the picture, I'll post it. And then you can sit there and affect to believe he's not masturbating.
I know the picture. And perhaps Izzard isn't actually masturbating... but whatever they're doing is generally considered inappropriate for a male to do in public, let alone when standing in a female line for a female facility. And it's something you would never catch a female doing.

Okay, I suppose there might be some absolutely outlandish scenario in which a pregnant female is trying to hold a crowning infant's head with their hand while standing in a toilet line... but now we're well into Twilight Zone territory of weird and implausible.

The point is, it would be extremely inappropriate for a female to be standing in line for the restroom with their hand shoved up under their skirt holding their crotch. It's beyond inappropriate for a male to be doing so when surrounded by females who don't want them there in the first place.
 
I got that. I'm saying his behavior was not that of a guy, but about a person who felt very uncomfortable, possibly somewhat in pain, and was doing something to minimize it. That's not behaving like a guy. When gals are uncomfortable, they make adjustments as necessary too. If something was agitating them near their crotch, biological or otherwise, they'd move it if convenient to do so.
Not while in visible range of many other humans.

Females get uncomfortable too. Trust me, when your skivvies shift and start pinching a labia, it sucks in a truly spectacular way. But there's no female I know who would just go crotch-rooting in public to adjust it, no matter how much it hurt.

Females will adjust bra straps in public - often it's a choice between running a hand up across a shoulder to get that thing back in place, and popping a boob right out, and we'll choose the lesser evil. But aside from your direct family in your own home... when was the last time you saw a female in public reach up inside the cup and rearrange an entire tit? Pretty much any female over the age of about 35 who's larger than an A cup has had to do that. But you don't see it done in public.
 
Umm.... no. I know for a fact that this is not true in all cases... assuming you mean explicitly preexisting consent and not just however they happen to feel about it at the time. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely good policy to gain explicit consent. Heck, make 'em sign a legal document if you can.

But regardless, I'm not condoning violating consent whatsoever, anyway.
Yeah... skim less, read more. There's a reason I said virtually all.

The existence of some few exhibitionists doesn't override the consent of anyone else though.
 
I should probably defer to the guys here, but I don't think masturbation is necessarily a full-blown screaming When-Harry-Met-Sally thing every single time, even in men. We know AGPs, and Izzard is certainly AGP, get off on being in female spaces doing female-typical things. The "queue for the loo" is one of the most female-typical things in existence, and there he is, in line with the women. So to me it's not any sort of stretch to see that he has become aroused by this, and has reached in to touch himself for a little tickle.

As regards women rearranging stuff, it depends on the circumstances. Ideally, you go into the ladies' toilet, and you may simply do what is necessary in the public area if it's not too radical, or you may go into a cubicle for complete privacy and do it there. He's standing in line for a cubicle. What can possibly be happening in there that can't wait a few minutes until he gets into a cubicle? Oh, let me guess.
 
Did you explicitly consent to sharing a changing room with every other female in there, too? Or are there some who you would prefer not be present?
I implicitly consent to sharing a changing room with every other female in there because I know beforehand that it's the FEMALE CHANGING ROOM and that it is a space in which other females are likely to be partially or fully naked.

But by using the FEMALE CHANGING ROOM I have neither implicitly nor explicitly consented to share space with a male in any state of clothing. In fact, because it's the FEMALE CHANGING ROOM, I have the clear expectation that males will NOT be present.
 
I'm saying that most mental illnesses aren't ADA-qualifying disabilities.
Okay, but this one might be, or at least it's not obvious why it wouldn't be.
To be more blunt... the males trying to be included are homosexual transsexuals, autogynephiles, and exploitative perverts.
Okay, so (1) males who say they are trans and like men, (2) males who say they are trans and like (themselves as) women, & (3) males who say they are trans but don't sincerely want to physically transition. I hastily lumped them altogether because they are all making essentially the same ask when it comes to female spaces, etc.

Put another way, does it matter to us whether Lia Thomas is type 1, 2, or 3 when we're asking whether she deserves her spot on the podium or the record book?
 
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I thought you didn't have an opinion about any of this.

Maybe you should try arguing from what you actually believe, instead of trying to find excuses for not arguing anything.
Just asking the question... searching for ideas that might apply. I don't know whether the obvious argument implied is sound or not yet. I'll have to think about it. It's not a prepared statement. It's the thought process, itself. I'm not being disingenuous.

Things like that happen in conversations... the good ones, anyway.
 
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With respect to the Izzard photo, and males adjusting... @Thermal you should probably know that even if it's common place for males to adjust in public, the vast majority if females would strongly prefer not to see you doing it.
 
Okay, but this one might be, or at least it's not obvious why it wouldn't be.
Same reason that schizophrenia isn't an ADA-qualifying disability. Or bipolar disorder. The kinds of accommodations that would need to be made for mental illness is simply not reasonable. And they're not accommodations that the employer or venue can make - they're accommodations that would need to be made by all other employees or customers respectively.

Perhaps you're missing a distinction. Some mental illnesses are SSI disabilities - they qualify people for social security benefits, medicaid health coverage, and other social support structures. But they're not ADA-qualified - they're not disabilities that employers or companies are expected to make adjustments for.
Okay, so (1) males who say they are trans and like men, (2) males who say they are trans and like (themselves as) women, & (3) males who say they are trans but don't sincerely want to physically transition. I hastily lumped them altogether because they are all making essentially the same ask when it comes to female spaces, etc.

Put another way, does it matter to us whether Lia Thomas is type 1, 2, or 3 when we're asking whether she deserves her spot on the podium or the record book?
Me, I don't care - they're all males. In the past it did matter, because in the past any access was discretionary and could be revoked by any female in the facility at any time. We were willing to pretend not to notice the few transsexuals who used our spaces, because they were generally of type (1). Or at least, that's what we believed, because they were expected to have had a formal diagnosis and been vetted by someone who was watching out to prevent types (2) and (3) from putting females at risk.

But the world changed. Somewhere along the way, self-id became a thing... and that demands that there is NO gatekeeping, so there's nobody looking out for females at all. And we also found out that a lot of the people we thought were (1) were actually (2).
 
I was just listening to a radio programme discussing the evolution of maternity care in the NHS, by examining some women's experiences. The focus was on the recovery ward where mothers were allowed to rest without their babies being present (they were in a nursery) for some time after the birth. It was a very female space, just new mothers and midwives, the latter all being female in these days. There was no privacy, and one woman described using a bedpan in full view of the other women. The tone was that yes it was a bit weird and a bit embarrassing, but they were all women and they'd all been through the most intimately embarrassing thing any woman can experience in the hours previously, so it wasn't a big deal.

Then they started to let fathers into the ward, ostensibly to encourage bonding but mainly to put them to work. That changed everything. Screens and curtains and privacy appeared instantly. No woman was going to be using a bedpan in front of someone else's husband - or even probably her own. That's how it is. There's an implicit sisterhood in intimate spaces because we've all got boobs and bra straps that slip and we have periods and menstrual accidents. Add a man to that and the entire dynamic changes. Get him out of there!
 
With respect to the Izzard photo, and males adjusting... @Thermal you should probably know that even if it's common place for males to adjust in public, the vast majority if females would strongly prefer not to see you doing it.
Agreed, and they don't. I'm quite discrete. From surfing, I'm well practiced in even stripping down right on the street and getting dressed in clothes and wetsuits non-graphically. ;)
 
Not while in visible range of many other humans.

Females get uncomfortable too. Trust me, when your skivvies shift and start pinching a labia, it sucks in a truly spectacular way. But there's no female I know who would just go crotch-rooting in public to adjust it, no matter how much it hurt.

Females will adjust bra straps in public - often it's a choice between running a hand up across a shoulder to get that thing back in place, and popping a boob right out, and we'll choose the lesser evil. But aside from your direct family in your own home... when was the last time you saw a female in public reach up inside the cup and rearrange an entire tit? Pretty much any female over the age of about 35 who's larger than an A cup has had to do that. But you don't see it done in public.
Honest answer to your question: all the time. In the beach town I live in, I can accurately describe the nips of maybe a third of the population. Spending a lot of time near the water in little clothing makes one a bit absent minded, IME
 
Agreed, and they don't. I'm quite discrete. From surfing, I'm well practiced in even stripping down right on the street and getting dressed in clothes and wetsuits non-graphically. ;)
If you've never watched it, I highly recommend Letterkenny.

There's a bit in one episode about adjusting, particularly about the many ways that males go about repositioning things discreetly so that the females around them aren't aware of it... but all the males know the tricks. There was a bit of "Do you really do that" in our house, and I was assured that yes, males really do the "oh would you look at that over there" thing sometimes.
 
Honest answer to your question: all the time. In the beach town I live in, I can accurately describe the nips of maybe a third of the population. Spending a lot of time near the water in little clothing makes one a bit absent minded, IME
Huh. I grew up in FL on the coast, and despite lots and lots of beach bums around, I never saw a female outside the beach reach down under their shirt to fully adjust their breast's position in their bra.
 
Hmm...

My first thought is that he may have stood in the queue longer than expected, and may be holding his penis in a last ditch attempt to not wet himself.

I was going to post a guess about him having prostate troubles, but can see that he has publicly stated that he has had treatment for prostate cancer. Prostate cancer treatments all (IIRC) carry the risk of incontinence.
 
If that is a thing he is likely to have to do, then it redoubles the point that there is no way he should be going into women's spaces. (Can you really do that?)
 
Hmm...

My first thought is that he may have stood in the queue longer than expected, and may be holding his penis in a last ditch attempt to not wet himself.

I was going to post a guess about him having prostate troubles, but can see that he has publicly stated that he has had treatment for prostate cancer. Prostate cancer treatments all (IIRC) carry the risk of incontinence.
Of course, it's totally normal for females to have to hold their penises in order to not pee themselves, just like it's totally normal for females to have prostate problems...
 
Huh. I grew up in FL on the coast, and despite lots and lots of beach bums around, I never saw a female outside the beach reach down under their shirt to fully adjust their breast's position in their bra.
Off topic, but...

When we first moved here, I was somewhat surprised by the casual approach to clothing. One of my new neighbors joked that everybody knew what everybody else looked like naked. Going to the beach, we all have outdoor showers and stuff, and sure enough, after a couple years here, I could give excruciating detail not normally familiar to people you don't exchange fluids with.

Which reminds me, the season is coming up. I gotta lose a couple pounds and work out. I don't bounce back like I used to.
 

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