Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Thermal]

Uh, no. If you reach for your abdomen, your hand would go to your abdomen. His hand isn't on his abdomen. It's at his crotch.

So are you. I agree that it doesn't look like masturbating to me, it looks like he's adjusting his balls, but that's not a hand on an abdomen.

I got what your saying and how you are seeing it, and you might be right. Or I might be. Or he might have felt something sharp at the waistband of... whatever he wears... and was pulling it away from poking at him. Or he might be reaching right over the aforementioned balls to scratch at the other leg's thigh.

It's the loaded assumption that it must be something genital-centric because he is "one of them freaks" that I'm skeptical about. Hoofbeats, zebras and all.

I mean, even if he was adjusting the boys, he wouldn't be the first guy ever to do so in public. Or this year. Or this minute. But are we posting pics of anonymous construction guys doing so? Or is that trivial and forgettable?

 

[d4m10n]

It's the loaded assumption that it must be something genital-centric because he is "one of them freaks" that I'm skeptical about.

Is it just me or have we seen an upsurge in this sort of thing lately?

 

[Thermal]

Is it just me or have we seen an upsurge in this sort of thing lately?

In assuming it, doing it, or being skeptical about it?

 

[Ziggurat]

I mean, even if he was adjusting the boys, he wouldn't be the first guy ever to do so in public.

True enough. But again, when you want other people to pretend that you're not a guy, then don't ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ act like a guy. He's in their space, the least he can do is act like he doesn't want to make anyone uncomfortable.

 

[Hercules56]

Too bad no poll in this thread. I bet a good majority of members would vote that trans women are in fact NOT true women.

 

[Thermal]

True enough. But again, when you want other people to pretend that you're not a guy, then don't ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ act like a guy. He's in their space, the least he can do is act like he doesn't want to make anyone uncomfortable.

I don't think.he was acting like a guy. I don't think there was acting going on at all. It s just a physiological comfort adjustment. While I do so more discretely, when I have to make an adjustment, I don't consider its gender representation, either personally or perceived by those around. You just get things comfortable. Can't tell you how many times I've seen women adjust their bra support in front of me. I'm sure it didn't cross their minds if they were portraying themselves as women or not.

Eta: and this Izzard cat ain't trying to make anyone pretend anything. He looks like a dude in a Halloween costume from 10 paces.

 

[Ziggurat]

I don't think.he was acting like a guy. I don't think there was acting going on at all.

"Acting" as in behavior, not as in pretend. Scratching your balls is very much acting like a guy. I'm not suggesting that this was dishonest, but it's inappropriate in context.

It s just a physiological comfort adjustment. While I do so more discretely, when I have to make an adjustment, I don't consider its gender representation

It's not gender representation. It's sex representation. Do you not understand why males adjust their balls but females don't?

Eta: and this Izzard cat ain't trying to make anyone pretend anything. He looks like a dude in a Halloween costume from 10 paces.

So why the ◊◊◊◊ is he in line for the women's bathroom then?

 

[Thermal]

"Acting" as in behavior, not as in pretend. Scratching your balls is very much acting like a guy. I'm not suggesting that this was dishonest, but it's inappropriate in context.

I got that. I'm saying his behavior was not that of a guy, but about a person who felt very uncomfortable, possibly somewhat in pain, and was doing something to minimize it. That's not behaving like a guy. When gals are uncomfortable, they make adjustments as necessary too. If something was agitating them near their crotch, biological or otherwise, they'd move it if convenient to do so.

It's not gender representation. It's sex representation. Do you not understand why males adjust their balls but females don't?

Because they are there. Do you know that people sometimes scratch where it itches, and don't give a thought as to if it looks male or female to surrounding company?

So why the ◊◊◊◊ is he in line for the women's bathroom then?

Honestly? Because I think he likes to live like a woman, doing women things like the other women. He feels right doing so. If no one else objects, then whatever. Doesn't seem to have even been noticed by those around him. Maybe I missed context in this pic, but were women up in arms? Putting up multi year 15 Part arguments? Or did they shrug their shoulders (if even that) and just go about their day? They ate the ones actually being exposed to this. How they seem to you?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Sure, but there's only one small subset of MALE people tryna be included.

Nah buddy. There are three main subsets of male people involved. For the moment, I'm setting aside any question of whether the fundamentals of these subsets actually make any sense, and just rolling with the genial interpretation.

One of those subsets are males that are attracted to other males, and who fancy themselves to be internally female. These are people with no sexual interest in females, and who feel kinship with females because they wish to be perceived as female by males.

Another subset are males that are attracted to females, and who obtain sexual thrills from imagining themselves as females and being treated the way they believe females should be treated. These people have a sexual interest in females, and they use other females, female single-sex spaces, and female single-sex services as props in their sexual fantasies.

Yet another subset are males who see a gigantic gaping loophole in policies based on self-id, and who are quite happy to say magic words if doing so gets them access to vulnerable females against their consent.

To be more blunt... the males trying to be included are homosexual transsexuals, autogynephiles, and exploitative perverts.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Are you saying it's not a mental illness?

I'm saying that most mental illnesses aren't ADA-qualifying disabilities.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Interesting article. Although much of the focus is on male/female, they do get into the transwoman/woman comparison near the end:

I don't know why this gets an "athough". Transwomen are males; transmen are females.

 

[Emily's Cat]

And if you think all guys want to see ALL girls naked... or that NO girls want to see ANY guys naked, you're sadly mistaken. Both are pretty highly biased to what they find attractive. Even more so when they're young.

How about...

Virtually ALL females want NO strange males to see them naked without consent? That seems to be missing from your approach.

 

[Emily's Cat]

And I would tend to say that this requires a full transition before it's applicable. Until then, they can just keep wanting it. That's the only way to fully screen out the pretenders.

And as a female who would be directly affected, I tend to say that full transition is irrelevant - it cannot change skeletal and facial structure. I refuse to be told that I must just believe any obvious male that says they've lost their wedding tackle, and I refuse to do pants-checks on all males demanding entry to female-only spaces.

 

[Emily's Cat]

You have no skin in the game. Unfortunately, every woman who doesn't want to share toilets and changing rooms and single-sex spa facilities with perverted men has skin in the game. Literally.

 

[Manopolus]

How about...

Virtually ALL females want NO strange males to see them naked without consent? That seems to be missing from your approach.

Umm.... no. I know for a fact that this is not true in all cases... assuming you mean explicitly preexisting consent and not just however they happen to feel about it at the time. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely good policy to gain explicit consent. Heck, make 'em sign a legal document if you can.

But regardless, I'm not condoning violating consent whatsoever, anyway.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I mostly just decline to be the one to make the decision. They'll work it out. You know how it's often a bad idea to take sides when your kids are fighting over stupid stuff? Same thing. They'll work it out. They don't need or really even want my help.

1) Staying silent when males violate female boundaries is taking sides, even if you don't think it is.
2) Females wanting to maintain their intimate boundaries and safety is not "stupid stuff"
3) Generally speaking, we would like as much support in defending our boundaries as we can get

 

[Emily's Cat]

But that's just it. They won't listen, anyway. We never did, and neither will their own children. This just isn't the sort of thing that the old people get to decide.

OLD PEOPLE ARE BEING DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS RIGHT NOW

 

[Manopolus]

1) Staying silent when males violate female boundaries is taking sides, even if you don't think it is.
2) Females wanting to maintain their intimate boundaries and safety is not "stupid stuff"
3) Generally speaking, we would like as much support in defending our boundaries as we can get

Did you explicitly consent to sharing a changing room with every other female in there, too? Or are there some who you would prefer not be present?

 

[theprestige]

Did you explicitly consent to sharing a changing room with every other female in there, too? Or are there some who you would prefer not be present?

I thought you didn't have an opinion about any of this.

Maybe you should try arguing from what you actually believe, instead of trying to find excuses for not arguing anything.

 

[Ziggurat]

I got that. I'm saying his behavior was not that of a guy

That is absurd. Females do not have testicles. Males do. Adjusting your testicles is an inherently male behavior. Just as breast feeding is an inherently female behavior.

When gals are uncomfortable, they make adjustments as necessary too.

Not to their testicles.