Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Emily's Cat]

Men with gender dysphoria "become" women to deal with their anxiety about having a man's body.

Some of them "become women" so they can experience enhanced titillation and sexual arousal focused around fantasizing about themselves as females. There's a reason that a whole lot of the trans activist narrative over the last decade has shifted to demanding 1) being transgender isn't a mental health issue and 2) gender dysphoria isn't required to be transgender at all

So, once they get boob implants and mutilate their penis and take lots of hormones to sorta kinda look like a woman, does their anxiety go away?

In the vast majority of cases, no.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Ya well maybe a person amounts to more than what you think they look like naked. That's kind of between her and her partner.

On one hand, I agree that a person is more than what anyone thinks they look like naked.

On the other hand... sometimes it's not only between them and their partner. "Women" with dangling schlongs showing up in female changing rooms, nude spas, showers, and hot tubs has been a common peaking theme.

 

[Emily's Cat]

And a transitioned woman looks like a woman who has undergone transition surgery.

Ya think we could move away from this intensely sick way of evaluating women you are latched onto?

FTR, that may not be what they're doing.

Females and males are built differently. No amount of transition surgery alters the pelvis, nor the angle at which the femur meets it, nor where the waist sits relative to the belly button.

 

[Rolfe]

Why didn't you share some of those instead of the three non-trans criminals doing general LGBT activism?

Again, I think we need to be careful drawing conclusions about a subset of the general public from the subset of that subset which has been convicted of crimes (e.g. clerics who abuse children). Far better to use the tools of statistical inference instead of cherry picking using AI.

These have been shared time and time again. Also statistics have been shared about the five times greater frequency of sex offenders among the trans identifying male population compared to other men. Where one might find statistics for child sex abuse convictions involving trans activists compared to child sex abuse convictions involving men with no interest in the trans agenda, I have no idea. The baseline population sizes would be almost impossible to ascertain anyway.

So as I said, be as sceptical as you like, but after a while, when I see enough trees, I begin to suspect I'm in the vicinity of a forest.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Why didn't you share some of those instead of the three non-trans activists doing general LGBT activism?

You've been around a while damion, and I know you're not dumb. At this point "LGBT activism" is indistinguishable from Trans activism - that's where the overwhelming majority of the focus ends up being. You know this.

 

[d4m10n]

At this point "LGBT activism" is indistinguishable from Trans activism - that's where the overwhelming majority of the focus ends up being.

We're not talking about "at this point" though, we're talking about activist groups founded decades ago and crimes committed many years ago.

If I was going to (very hastily) generalize from James Rennie to a group accused of sexual deviancy, I'd pick homosexuals since that was what he worked to promote over his lengthy years in activism, most of which happened before these activist groups stopped focusing on marriage equality.

 

[Rolfe]

And if anything, things have got worse. Consider the whole Challoner thing. These people are being protected, as the Challoners were protected by the LibDems. Ireland was convicted A WEEK AGO and has not yet been sentenced. Pride Surrey and Stonewall and the Surrey Police and all the organisations that feted and lionised him have simply gone quiet, as if none of it happened. Absolutely no condemnation or hair-shirting in evidence at all.

 

[Emily's Cat]

We're not talking about "at this point" though, we're talking about activist groups founded decades ago and crimes committed many years ago.

If I was going to (very hastily) generalize from James Rennie to a group accused of sexual deviancy, I'd pick homosexuals since that was what he worked to promote over his lengthy years in activism, most of which happened before these activist groups stopped focusing on marriage equality.

Dude, no. We're talking about people who are ACTIVELY involved in transgender activism recently, and who have been prosecuted for crimes they were committing over the course of many years, up until very recently!

 

[Rolfe]

Precisely. I think we have another case of serial amnesia here. We seem to go round and round the same thing again and again, and all the evidence that's presented is forgotten and demanded to be produced again.

 

[smartcooky]

A bit off topic... but...

Pacifists are entirely dependent on other people being willing to fight and die on their behalf. While simultaneously viewing non-pacifists as somehow lesser than them, less evolved, less reasoned, less compassionate, etc. But without the compassion, reason, and care of non-pacifists, pacifists are nothing by defenseless prey, and the preferred food of fascists. And there's nothing a fascists likes so much as a populace that has convinced itself that fighting back is immoral.

Someone here has a signature referencing a quote by Robert Heinlen... "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay—and claims a halo for his dishonesty"

This pretty much sums up pacifists for me...

 

[angrysoba]

From the first article:


From the second:


The last one, Janes Rennie, was a strong activist for trans issues, and helped found a T-focused LGBT organization.

There are quite a few more out there - we keep finding that the people advocating for "trans youth" and developing the teaching materials that highlight transgender ideology end up being child abusing pedophiles.

Not every trans-associated person is a pedo... but there are an awful lot of pedos among them, and they're involved in shaping the narratives and policy pushes for how children are treated. They keep being invested in "gender affirming care" for minors, by which they mean puberty blockers, chemical castration, and surgeries that lock them into child-like undeveloped bodies.

Come on, this just looks like lazy smearing.

The people involved are not trans.

In fact, this is Choose-your-own-adventure time. (Does trans association involve paedophilia? Or does gay association involve paedophilia? Or does radical feminism association involve Nazi sympathies?)

If you want to play the "If ye fly wit de craws ye get ◊◊◊◊ like de craws" as Rolfe folksily puts it (IOW guilt-by-association) then you could just as easily say, "Oh look! Gay men abusing boys!" In fact, apart from a throwaway line about being a "proud trans activist", which apparently is all that it takes, that Spiked! article essentially has nothing to do with trans at all. It's just as much an indictment of liberals and lefties, which is par for the course for Spiked.

Instead of just saying "Burn the lot of them" and leaving everyone to figure out who or what is being referred to, maybe be clear and specific about the problem, and have some clear policy proposals.

For example, maybe you could argue that Pride Surrey needs to be investigated, or to have the people in charge fired and replaced, or even the organization disbanded, etc...

 

[Rolfe]

I'd take that for a start. No sign it's going to happen though. The Holy Trans are perpetually protected, until one of them is exposed as doing something utterly abhorrent, when they just erect an SEP field round them.

 

[angrysoba]

I also know a couple of such transwomen, pretty much like the one you mention here. One of them I see regularly on quiz nights... a member of rival team. She passes at a distance, but up close, she doesn't.
I have talked with her a number of times over the years, including on the subject of self id. She has nothing but disdain for them, sees them as fakers and fetishists, and not real transwomen. She considers every single one if them to have ulterior, mostly nefarious motives

I'm confused by this.

I can see how there could be necessary or sufficient conditions for being a real transwoman:
a diagnosis of gender dysphoria?
surgery?

But I have pretty much seen those conditions dismissed. Does anyone here actually accept that there are individuals who are "real transwomen" who should be allowed to go about their lives without being taunted with "MISTER", etc...?

 

[Rolfe]

There is no such thing as a "real transwoman". I can't see any reason for gratuitous taunting of someone who isn't harming anyone else though. Although, I may reserve the right to laugh at someone who chooses to go out in public looking frankly risible.

 

[Emily's Cat]

an SEP field

 

[smartcooky]

We're not talking about "at this point" though, we're talking about activist groups founded decades ago and crimes committed many years ago.

If I was going to (very hastily) generalize from James Rennie to a group accused of sexual deviancy, I'd pick homosexuals since that was what he worked to promote over his lengthy years in activism, most of which happened before these activist groups stopped focusing on marriage equality.

So you have handwaved away the inconvenient evidence I presented of over 300 TIMs having committed violent and sexual crimes against children, that only goes back less than a decade? I thought you might.

 

[d4m10n]

The last one, Janes Rennie, was a strong activist for trans issues, and helped found a T-focused LGBT organization.

Where and when did he do that?

We're talking about people who are ACTIVELY involved in transgender activism recently...

No evidence of his transgender activism has been presented here, only his involvement in a group known as Stonewall Youth Project which was renamed LGBT Youth Scotland in 2003. This really is choose-your-own-adventure time, or maybe we can flip a coin twice to decide which letter bears the blame.

 

[d4m10n]

So you have handwaved away the inconvenient evidence I presented of over 300 TIMs having committed violent and sexual crimes against children, that only goes back less than a decade?

Do you think it is somehow valid to generalize from them to the much larger general population of people who identify as trans?

 

[d4m10n]

If you want to play the "If ye fly wit de craws ye get ◊◊◊◊ like de craws" as Rolfe folksily puts it (IOW guilt-by-association) then you could just as easily say, "Oh look! Gay men abusing boys!" In fact, apart from a throwaway line about being a "proud trans activist", which apparently is all that it takes...

Surely the fine journalists at Spiked at least dropped a link so we can see this fellow speaking out for trans rights in particular.

 

[smartcooky]

Do you think it is somehow valid to generalize from them to the much larger general population of people who identify as trans?

Yes it is, particularly as their cohort has a much greater offending rate than the general population... and we're not talking just a few percentage points here, were talking dozens of times the offending rate. Evidence for this has been posted several times before by Rolfe et al, but it keeps being handwaved away by the usual suspects.