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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

Hercules56 said:
Do you have a problem with a Polish club or Jewish club or Irish club at a college?
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I have no problem with those as long as they don't restrict membership or participation based on factors such as race.

And guess what: neither does the Trump administration.
 
Ziggurat said:
I have no problem with those as long as they don't restrict membership or participation based on factors such as race.

And guess what: neither does the Trump administration.
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If none of these clubs actually discriminate based on race or nationality, why even threaten to pull college funding?

Seems like a solution desperately seeking a problem.
 
Hercules56 said:
Do you have a problem with a Polish club or Jewish club or Irish club at a college?
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I don't have a problem with any club at a college, provided that they either 1) are not subsidized by school funds when those schools receive federal funding or 2) are not discriminatory in nature.

So you end up with three options:
  • Private colleges can have a polish club that is exclusive to students of polish ancestry, and doesn't allow participation of anyone else
  • Public colleges can have a school-subsidized polish club that is focused on polish history and culture but is open to any student who wishes to participate
  • Students at public colleges can organize a polish-only club that meets off campus and is not subsidized by the school
 
Hercules56 said:
If none of these clubs actually discriminate based on race or nationality, why even threaten to pull college funding?
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You keep on making a connection between these things, but not once have you shown that there is any.

And you also keep ignoring all the other racially discriminatory things (such as race-based scholarships) that colleges and universities have been doing, as if those racially discriminatory things aren't the real reason funding is being threatened.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I don't have a problem with any club at a college, provided that they either 1) are not subsidized by school funds when those schools receive federal funding or 2) are not discriminatory in nature.

So you end up with three options:
  • Private colleges can have a polish club that is exclusive to students of polish ancestry, and doesn't allow participation of anyone else
  • Public colleges can have a school-subsidized polish club that is focused on polish history and culture but is open to any student who wishes to participate
  • Students at public colleges can organize a polish-only club that meets off campus and is not subsidized by the school
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Ive never read about any clubs discriminating.
 
Emily's Cat said:
  • Private colleges can have a polish club that is exclusive to students of polish ancestry, and doesn't allow participation of anyone else
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Probably not, because Title VI (and IX) of the Civil Rights Act applies to any educational institution receiving federal financial assistance, which is defined very broadly, and includes federal grants and loans whether made directly to the school or to its students. So, if a private university receives a federal research grant from, say, NIH or NSF, that is considered financial assistance to the university. If any student at a private university has received a student loan through a federal student loan program, that is considered financial assistance to the university. Therefore, there are very few private universities in the United States that receive no federal financial assistance, and thus not subject to Titles VI and IX.
 
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jt512 said:
I know you will never understand—or at least never admit to understand—but you have just admitted to being irrational and anti-skeptical.
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You're right. When it comes to the fundamental human right to exist in society, I do not exercise skepticism. Neither should you.
theprestige said:
As long as their membership, functions, and activities don't discriminate on race, no.

However, if they do discriminate on race, then it's illegal for the college to provide any funding, facilities, or other resources, to the club. If the college does that, it should lose its federal funding, and probably face other sanctions as well.

Do you have a problem with anything I've just said?
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Is Irish, Jewish or Polish a "race"? Why is African American a "race" but Jewish is not?

It's because of skin colour, isn't it?
 
arthwollipot said:
You're right. When it comes to the fundamental human right to exist in society, I do not exercise skepticism. Neither should you.
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What does the "fundamental right to exist in society," that you are not exercising skepticism about, have to do with lowering admission standards for black students for admission to Harvard?

Or, to put it the other way around, what does Critical Race Theory, which you are not being skeptical about, have to do with anybody's "fundamental right to exist in society."
 
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jt512 said:
What does the "fundamental right to exist in society," that you are not exercising skepticism about, have to do with lowering admission standards for black students for admission to Harvard?
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The fact that you frame it as "lowering admission standards" shows how fundamentally disconnected and how completely brainwashed by propaganda you are.
jt512 said:
Or, to put it the other way around, what does Critical Race Theory, which you are not being skeptical about, have to do with anybody's "fundamental right to exist in society."
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If you showed the slightest understanding of what Critical Race Theory actually was, you wouldn't need to ask that question.
 
In fact just one hell of a minute there.

In what world is extending opportunity to black people and women "lowering standards"? Isn't that just hella racist and sexist? The assumption that black people and women can't possibly qualify unless the standards are lowered?

Can't you see just how ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up that is? Jesus ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ.
 
arthwollipot said:
In fact just one hell of a minute there.

In what world is extending opportunity to black people and women "lowering standards"? Isn't that just hella racist and sexist? The assumption that black people and women can't possibly qualify unless the standards are lowered?

Can't you see just how ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up that is? Jesus ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ.
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Yeah. That's like saying voter ID is racist because Black people don't know how to get IDs.
 
arthwollipot said:
In fact just one hell of a minute there.

In what world is extending opportunity to black people and women "lowering standards"?
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In the world what 'opportunities are extended" by lowering standards.
arthwollipot said:
Isn't that just hella racist and sexist? The assumption that black people and women can't possibly qualify unless the standards are lowered?
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Yes, it is. Which is why so many people oppose lowering standards for black people and women.

For some reason, it upsets you when people oppose lowering standards for black people and women.
arthwollipot said:
Can't you see just how ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up that is? Jesus ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ.
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Oh, I see exactly how messed up it is.
 
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