Trump's Second Term

The Don said:
Exactly!

The UK could not have been rid of Truss unless a significant number of Conservative MPs were willing to vote against her in a no confidence motion.

If they had been as spineless as the GOP she would have easily outlasted the lettuce.
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Conversely if Theresa May hadn't been in constant fear of the ERG head bangers in her own party she might have been the competent & half decent (for a Tory) PM that many desperately hoped she would be. Of course the another big difference is that in the UK the general public don't have a direct vote on the PM in the UK.
 
psionl0 said:
What? The party can't dump a PM without voting in a no confidence motion in Parliament?
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No it's an internal Parliamentary Party vote of confidence in them as Party Leader triggered by letters submitted to the 1922 Committee not a confidence vote in the government as a whole (for the Tories, each party has it's own rules).
 
Whoever is party leader of the largest party that has a majority in parliament is the Prime Minister
 
Andy_Ross said:
Whoever is party leader of the largest party that has a majority in parliament is the Prime Minister
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Same thing In Denmark. It is probably always so when there is no president (or when the president has only ceremonial functions like in Germany).
 
Donald on Canadian tariffs

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump

Despite the fact that Canada is charging the USA from 250% to 390% Tariffs on many of our farm products, Ontario just announced a 25% surcharge on "electricity," of all things, and your not even allowed to do that. Because our Tariffs are reciprocal, we'll just get it all back on April 2.

Canada is a Tariff abuser, and always has been, but the United States is not going to be subsidizing Canada any longer. We don't need your Cars, we don't need your Lumber, we don't your Energy, and very soon, you will find that out.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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Andy_Ross said:
Donald on Canadian tariffs
Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump

Despite the fact that Canada is charging the USA from 250% to 390% Tariffs on many of our farm products, Ontario just announced a 25% surcharge on "electricity," of all things, and your not even allowed to do that. Because our Tariffs are reciprocal, we'll just get it all back on April 2.

Canada is a Tariff abuser, and always has been, but the United States is not going to be subsidizing Canada any longer. We don't need your Cars, we don't need your Lumber, we don't your Energy, and very soon, you will find that out.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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Is Donny OK?? He seems to be having some sort of seizure, or fit... He's having a LOT of trouble with numbers and facts and stuff like that...
 
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P.J. Denyer said:
No it's an internal Parliamentary Party vote of confidence in them as Party Leader triggered by letters submitted to the 1922 Committee not a confidence vote in the government as a whole (for the Tories, each party has it's own rules).
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That's what I suspected. I don't know about the UK but in Australia, when there is a leadership spill, party members vote by secret ballot.

This is one of the strengths of the Parliamentary system. If the PM goes off the rails (or looks like leading the party to defeat at the next election) then the Parliamentary members of the party can unceremoniously kick him out of the PM's office. In the US, they are stuck with the President for 4 years come hell or high water.
 
psionl0 said:
That's what I suspected. I don't know about the UK but in Australia, when there is a leadership spill, party members vote by secret ballot.

This is one of the strengths of the Parliamentary system. If the PM goes off the rails (or looks like leading the party to defeat at the next election) then the Parliamentary members of the party can unceremoniously kick him out of the PM's office. In the US, they are stuck with the President for 4 years come hell or high water.
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I think there's a reasonable counter arguement that as the people vote in the American President they shouldn't be easily replaced by politicians, unlike our PMs they are personally chosen (okay, electoral college etc..) rather than being party appointments. The thing about Trump is that he is such an outlier and at a time when politics have been so disrupted by a century of unprecedented social & technological change that institutions worldwide haven't caught up with. As ever in political leadership there is the struggle to balance the need to be able to remove an inept or unsuitable leader Vs the conflicting need for a competent one to be able to make necessary but unpopular decisions without being immediately ousted. But there's a serious problem when those meant to be providing oversight are in the thrall of the overseen.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Is Donny OK??...
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As a former Boss of mine would say, "Is he okay? No he's not 'okay,' he's the opposite of okay."

Seriously, though, look at all that's happened and trump hasn't even been in office two months. It's become nonstop. Forty-six more months of this? Given trump's record (in business) for abject failure, we HAVE to find a way to get him out of office. We have to.
 
Colbert:

"Kinda hard to feel a lot of sympathy for them, they ordered the turd soup, and then said, 'waiter, there's turds in my soup.' Then they came back four years later and asked, 'y'all still have that turd soup?'"
 
Andy_Ross said:
A tariff on electricity is illegal apparently
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well it’s much better than that. first of all, tariffs are good, they bring in a bunch of money and don’t cost anyone anything. so, all these tariffs are only going to make things better and better. why wouldn’t canada also start using them? there’s no downside, they’re the best. they’ll be rolling in so much money they won’t know how to spend it. just like we will soon.

anything other than that and we may have to reexamine this whole tariffs are free money and will fix the debt pitch trump used during his election
 
psionl0 said:
That's what I suspected. I don't know about the UK but in Australia, when there is a leadership spill, party members vote by secret ballot.

This is one of the strengths of the Parliamentary system. If the PM goes off the rails (or looks like leading the party to defeat at the next election) then the Parliamentary members of the party can unceremoniously kick him out of the PM's office. In the US, they are stuck with the President for 4 years come hell or high water.
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If the Republicans were willing to do their part they could have been shot of Trump using the 25th amendment or impeachment.

The problem isn't that there aren't mechanisms to remove Trump, it's that the GOP won't use them.

If the Conservatives had been similarly intransigent then Truss would have stayed on as PM.
 
steenkh said:
Same thing In Denmark. It is probably always so when there is no president (or when the president has only ceremonial functions like in Germany).
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On a point of order: Not necessarily. You may recall Lars Løkke Rasmussen was prime minister from 2015-19 despite Venstre (his party at the time) only being third largest in parliament. Danish People's Party were largest party in the "blue bloc", but were content to act as a supporting party.
 
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