Zelensky was a tough guy long before America "empowered" him. He's been a tough guy since day one of the invasion, when *nobody* was empowering him. When it wasn't even clear whether Ukraine would rally behind him. Every day Ziggurat strays farther from the light.
Possibly. And yet he still screwed up the easy part. And make no mistake, this was the easy part.
And Zelensky didn't know this about Trump going in? Seriously, did no one prep him on how to handle Trump?
Again: Zelensky needs Trump, Trump doesn't need Zelensky. You can wish Trump played it differently all you want to, but he's not the one with everything on the line. That's not fair, but that's reality. Complaining that it's unfair doesn't actually help, no matter how true it may be.
He said thank you a few dozen times in his address to Congress, including to the Weakest One directly. And if he did say thank you again, The weakest One and Bowman would have continued to berate him. Let's stop pretending to be stupid enough to think this was a good faith negotiation.
He already did. And Bowman went into him. How about you expect President and Vice President to be grown ass adults and good allies? Are you that isnecure you need to here him kiss our ass over and over?
there was no need for that spectacle. I don't care how small your penis is, you don't need try and embarrass Zelensky in public like that. And of course he talks about "great ratings" like its some Real Housewives ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.
Says it all from your perspective, I suppose. The US and Russia should not in any way shape or form be on the same side, opposite Zelensky here. No more than we should have sided with Hitler and told Europe to belly up.
Disagreed. We should be standing against Russia as a united front, and I'm talking every free nation on the planet.
To all the above: or the planet can stand up against an invading dictator. Not fondle Putin's balls and tell him how much we love him. Wrong message. Wrong side.
A video has been circulating on reddit recently, compiling dozens of times Zelensky has thanked the world community, the US, President Biden, and yes, President Trump, all from before the meeting. Trump and Vance were either liars or stupid to be unaware of how much gratitude the man has shown. Yet they sat there like a pair of twats browbeating Zelensky, asking if he had thanked anyone even once. That level of ignorance is not credible. They were purely being a pair of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, to show support of Mother Russia.
I'm not saying we are. But Ukraine cannot get a negotiated peace with Russia on its own. It needs another party to those negotiations to help facilitate them. There's no chance that Europe is actually going to step up to the plate (though if they prove me wrong, more power to them). So it's either the US, or nobody.
We sided with Stalin. So the idea that we can't cut a deal with Russian dictators, well, we have in the past.
Ukraine doesn't want a negotiated peace. It never asked for a negotiated peace. It asked for help getting its territory back from the invader. Trump is offering to withhold that help, unless Ukraine cedes its territory to the invader. After which, the help won't be necessary anymore (until Russia invades again). Trump is being an absolute, pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dickhead. It's pretty ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ amazing that you are able to cast Zelensky as the villain in this piece.
Zelensky needs security guarantees for any kind of peace treaty to work, which Russia is unwilling to agree to right now. Trump is meeting with Russia (in theory to negotiate peace but who the Hell knows), and trash talking Zelensky on the internet. Zelensky goes to meet with Trump, in theory to sign a mineral rights deal he would never sign if it wasn't for Russia's invasion, and to make the case for security guarantees. He lays out a simple case for security guarantees in front of the press during the meeting, and asks how that factors into the negotiations. Again, Zelensky needs security guarantees for any sort of peace treaty to work. You can argue about the way he brought it up, but he needed to bring it up in order to get his point through to Trump and his supporters.
I think.we have a massive interest in one of our enemies getting aggro on the NATO border.
Yes. When faced with the Nazis, we ended up with some strange bedfellows, because of the more massive threat.
That's not going to happen. I've told you before, nobody actually wants to do that. Biden didn't want to, Trump doesn't want to, and none of the European countries want to. So the actual choice in front of Zelensky is continuing this war for years more, with the likely result still being a stalemate, or a negotiated peace.
Yes. Because he doesn't think it's in the US interest to continue funding a meat grinder war that doesn't change the outcome, and he's not interested in escalating the war to the level required to push Russia back. Because again, nobody actually wants to give Ukraine enough weapons to actually push back Russia. Nobody. I know you don't like that, that you think we should be willing to escalate, but we aren't. And that has basically nothing to do with Trump.
No, he's not a villain. But he screwed up at the White House. And I'm not sure why you're having trouble seeing that. Seriously, he played it completely wrong. He needs Trump, but Trump doesn't need him, and given that reality he should have shown considerable deference to Trump. He did not, and that was a mistake. Again, whether that's fair or not is rather beside the point. That's the reality of the situation.
Yes. It almost did.
I can tell you're a big fan of Sprinkles.
Yes, actually there is. China. China is a bigger threat than Russia. A much bigger threat.
I have no idea what you mean by this, nor do I care.
It was a dog and pony show for Putin, and credulous maga weirdos, setting things up for whatever that thing is tomorrow night.
Just look at the trumpsplaining in this thread.
It's in the post you quoted the first line of but didn't read.
...ok, so Trump is siding with dictators to appease other dictators? Just trying to get a good seat at the New Axis Powers table, is he?
Appease China? No, Trump isn't trying to appease China. Not sure where you got that from.
