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However I don't know whether people dismissed because their work wasn't up to scratch would be classed as having been fired for cause.
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However I don't know whether people dismissed because their work wasn't up to scratch would be classed as having been fired for cause.
It's more of an issue, I think in your next job interview. It's better to be able to say "laid off" than that the reason given was performance.
I think the reason they say "performance" is that by doing so it complies with the terms and procedures associated with probationary status. Otherwise, they might have to use a process to determine that a particular position (as opposed to individual employee) was not needed.
TragicMonkey
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It's different in different states. I looked up the requirements in my state (Missouri) and they are these:
To be eligible for unemployment benefit payments, you must:
- Lose your job through no fault of your own OR quit for good cause related to the work or the employer.
- Make at least $2,250—at least $1,500 during one of the calendar quarters, and at least $750 during the remainder of the base period—from an insured employer during your base period. (See chart below).
- AND your total base period wages must be at least 1.5 times your highest quarter wages.
- OR you must make at least 1.5 times the Taxable Wage Base during two of the four base period quarters.
To determine eligibility for benefit payments the facts regarding the discharge will be investigated by the Division of Employment Security. You could be disqualified for misconduct connected with work if it is found there was:
- Conduct or a failure to act demonstrating knowing disregard of the employer’s interest or a knowing violation of the standards which the employer expects of his or her employee.
- Conduct or a failure to act demonstrating carelessness or negligence in such degree or recurrence as to manifest culpability, wrongful intent, or a knowing disregard of the employer’s interest or of the employee’s duties and obligations to the employer.
- A violation of an employer’s no-call, no show policy; chronic absenteeism or tardiness in violation of a known policy of the employer; or two or more unapproved absences following a written reprimand or warning relating to an unapproved absence unless such absences are protected by law.
- A knowing violation of a state standard or regulation by an employee of an employer licensed or certified by the state, which would cause the employer to be sanctioned or have its license or certification suspended or revoked; or
- A violation of an employer’s rule unless the employee can demonstrate that:
- He or she did not know, and could not reasonably know, of the rule’s requirements;
- The rule is not lawful, or
- The rule is not fairly or consistently enforced.
The bolded point creates wiggle-room. The current administration's interest is for all personnel to support TRUMP, and not be any kind of "DEI", and not subscribe to news media critical of TRUMP, and not thinking the Gulf of Mexico is called the Gulf of Mexico.
But in the case of all the fired feds the question of unemployment is moot for now: they're not being processed out with the necessary paperwork so they can't even prove they got fired, so they're not yet able to apply for unemployment anyway. And then there's the nice legal question: who fired them? It can't have been Elon Musk, because per the White House, Musk is not in charge of DOGE. Was it their own agencies who fired them? If so those agencies need to have met their own rules which --of course-- come with paperwork. So it can't have been them.
It may take multiple legal cases making it all the way to the Supreme Court before any of them can get unemployment...by which time they'd be out of the window for applying in many states. Also starved to death, but the cruelty is the point, after all.
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Poor work performance is not misconduct and, by that definition, is not "cause." Most people think being bad at your job is "cause" but the definition used by unemployment is different.
Where does the public at large stand on boinking pieces of furniture ?
TragicMonkey
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AmyStrange
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In Illinois at least, you do not have to provide any paperwork or documentation of your termination/reason when you file.
You fill out a form online and put in the last day you worked. You can get unemployment even if you are never told you are filed and they just stop putting you on the schedule.
You said:
I gave you evidence that in most jurisdictions, if you are fired for cause you cannot get unemployment. Now you're moving the goalposts.
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Coming late to this but can I just say it's refreshing and reassuring to see that we may have different politics but that's all it is (and perfectly healthy) but the fundamentals of fair play, decency, common sense and freedom (supposedly Republican watch words) on the big issues remain common. Was beginning to worry that there was no line Trump could cross that would alienate the adults amongst the GOP (assuming that's where your politics generally are in 'normal' times).
Now here's hoping Zig doesn't dash my hopes later in this thread....
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I'm hoping the one good thing that comes out of this is Europe seriously gets behind Ukraine and ups its own defences (and no that won't be the result of Trump playing 4d chess, it's the result of him bringing his crappy business practices into geo-politics). Would require further investment but we make good weapons and could be a shot in the arm for our manufacturing industry.
And yes, I'm happy to pay more taxes to do so.
I fear that the 'ordinary' person in Europe will balk at such spending but hopefully our leaders will show leadership.
We have relied too heavily on the US but that suited us both (something Trump fails to understand) and now they are unceremoniously dumping us. Time we stepped up because, and I don't think I'm being hysterical here, our freedom depends on it.
theprestige
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Yeah, there's a number of conservatives I generally respect, who have inexplicably taken a pro-Moscow position. Domestically, they're great. Internationally, I just don't get it.
You are making the wildly optimistic there will be a functioning nation still called the United States of America come 2026.
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JayUtah
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In my case, personal experience as an employer. But as many have pointed out, this is not universal. Some people including you have reported different and better outcomes. Under-performance is itself not precisely defined, and it's my mistake to lump together a bunch of probably dissimilar things.
Thanks, that's a point I had no considered. However, at least one of the termination letters for "poor performance" that I saw was for a career employee. But inasmuch as the administration is claiming it focuses on probationary employees, what you suggest might be worth consideration. In any case, enough has been said to convince me that my personal experience is not an accurate picture of what these newly terminated employees might face, so it makes sense to withdraw my previous rant.
It's explicable when you consider that whatever position Trump takes is the position for nearly all conservatives regardless of what their previous position may have been.
TragicMonkey
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Which is yet another red-hot goad to me. America wanted to be the big policeman, we deliberately pursued that role for over half a century, and we used it to build mutually beneficial relationships which, if there were any onesidedness to them, were mostly in America's favor. We got to have things our way! We got respect! We got goodies! We got to keep our enemies in check! And in less than a month we threw away a lifetime's working relationship!
It's marriage. Trump dumped two wives because he can't see benefits from a longterm stable relationship.
Why don't you? These are the people who look at the corrupt, authoritarian, homophobic, kleptocracy that is Russia and see the ideal they are striving towards.