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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

Unlike anthing arth has ever done...
I just posted an article that you dismissed as "pure ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊". I honestly don't know why I bother - you're so closed-minded to anything that contradicts your chosen narrative, nothing I do or say will make the slightest bit of difference.

You're a victim of the Yearslong Campaign, and you can't see it. You won't see it. You flat out refuse to even look at it. That's how successful it is.
 
I just posted an article that you dismissed as "pure ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊".
You posted an opinion piece that did nothing to demonstrate that DEI doesn't engage in racial discrimination. It's an attack on the motives of some specific people who oppose DEI, but it actually says nothing about the merits of DEI itself or the criticisms of it.
 
I just posted an article that you dismissed as "pure ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊". I honestly don't know why I bother - you're so closed-minded to anything that contradicts your chosen narrative, nothing I do or say will make the slightest bit of difference.

You're a victim of the Yearslong Campaign, and you can't see it. You won't see it. You flat out refuse to even look at it. That's how successful it is.
Irony meter off the scale.
 
You posted an opinion piece that did nothing to demonstrate that DEI doesn't engage in racial discrimination. It's an attack on the motives of some specific people who oppose DEI, but it actually says nothing about the merits of DEI itself or the criticisms of it.
Thank you for giving me a concrete example of what I was talking about.
Irony meter off the scale.
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That's because I deny your premise of defining what DEI does as "discrimination" rather than "inclusion". I've explained this before.
When a public university has a program that black students can participate in and white students cannot participate in, that's racial discrimination. Calling it inclusion doesn't make it not racial discrimination. It's still racial discrimination.
 
Meanwhile...


The potential business impact of DEI backlash is significant. Research from the HRC Foundation’s 2024 LGBTQ+ Climate Survey shows that when companies abandon DEI initiatives, they risk alienating their consumer base and their employees. Specifically, 76% of LGBTQ+ adults say they would have a less favorable opinion of companies that roll back DEI efforts, and 80% would boycott those companies. The loss of customer trust translates directly into lost revenue, as LGBTQ+ consumers wield $1.4 trillion in purchasing power.

“Rolling back inclusion practices doesn't just impact the bottom line — it’s a direct blow to the lives of millions of employees who depend on these policies and practices for their well-being and success,” said Bloem. “When employees feel excluded or marginalized, it undermines their ability to contribute fully to their jobs, stifling creativity, morale and productivity. It also jeopardizes their access to essential benefits, like health care and family formation and leave, which are crucial for them and their families.”

For LGBTQ+ workers, and particularly those who are people of color, the erosion of DEI initiatives can mean losing critical support systems that help them navigate the workplace and thrive. These policies aren’t just about diversity — they are about ensuring that every employee, regardless of their background or identity, feels valued and has equal access to opportunities and resources.
 
When a public university has a program that black students can participate in and white students cannot participate in, that's racial discrimination. Calling it inclusion doesn't make it not racial discrimination. It's still racial discrimination.
And yet when it comes to female bathrooms, that's apparently not discrimination because reasons.

These programs are safe spaces for black students, and the Yearslong Campaign is denying those spaces to those students.
 
And yet when it comes to female bathrooms, that's apparently not discrimination because reasons.
Of course it's discrimination. But it's justifiable discrimination, because the sexes aren't the same in certain key aspects. Race and sex aren't equivalent. There's a whole other thread that goes into why sex segregation in bathrooms is acceptable, I'm not going to get into it any more here.
These programs are safe spaces for black students, and the Yearslong Campaign is denying those spaces to those students.
Now you're arguing that racial discrimination is justifiable. Well, that's a step forward in your honesty at least, but that's still what the defense of DEI must come down to. You cannot defend DEI without arguing that racial discrimination can be justified, because DEI is racially discriminatory.
 
Here, arth, is a competing explanation for Trump's war on DEI (at least in academia). Unlike the one you posted, this one actually makes sense and is backed up with over 80 references, many to peer reviewed works and scholarly books.

 
Here, arth, is a competing explanation for Trump's war on DEI (at least in academia). Unlike the one you posted, this one actually makes sense and is backed up with over 80 references, many to peer reviewed works and scholarly books.

That article is complete ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. An opinion piece that cherry picks sources, supported by AI images and memes.

There. I've provided more reasons for dismissing your article than you provided for dismissing mine.
 
Of course it's discrimination. But it's justifiable discrimination, because the sexes aren't the same in certain key aspects. Race and sex aren't equivalent.
"But that's different". Totally predictable response. It isn't different, but you're right that this is not the place for that argument.
 
That article is complete ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. An opinion piece that cherry picks sources, supported by AI images and memes.

There. I've provided more reasons for dismissing your article than you provided for dismissing mine.
Thank you for demonstrating your reasoning so clearly.
 
"But that's different". Totally predictable response. It isn't different, but you're right that this is not the place for that argument.
Sure. But this IS the place to discuss whether racial discrimination is justifiable. You have yet to put forth such an argument.
 
That article is complete ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. An opinion piece that cherry picks sources, supported by AI images and memes.

There. I've provided more reasons for dismissing your article than you provided for dismissing mine.
That kind of depends on what you think the purpose of the article is. That article does not, in and of itself, speak to the merits of DEI. That much is true, and so you could indeed dismiss it as an argument against the merits of DEI. What that article does provide is clear evidence that the political consequences of DEI, namely the backlash against it, were both predictable and predicted. It's a very good argument (with evidence) to show that the current backlash against academia is a direct consequence of its embrace of DEI. So it does serve as a very effective argument against DEI if you are interested in avoiding that political backlash. Which, maybe you aren't. You don't have to be.
 
If the result is to exclude people because of their skin hue, then that's quite the opposite of inclusion.
If it were that, then it would be. It isn't. This is just the racist "reverse discrimination" idiocy all over again. This time it didn't even put on a fancy hat.

Thank you for demonstrating your reasoning so clearly.
Just imitating yours, mate, just imitating yours.

Sure. But this IS the place to discuss whether racial discrimination is justifiable. You have yet to put forth such an argument.
That's because that's not the argument I'm making. The argument I'm making is that inclusion is justifiable. You know, making sure that everybody gets a chance at the pie. Racists think that this means that white people get shorted by black people being included. Sexists think that this means that men get shorted by women being included. Transphobes think that this means that cis women get shorted by trans women being included. This is the argument that the Yearslong Campaign has so successfully hammered us over the head with in the service of racism, sexism and transphobia, and it's completely backwards. Completely!

The result is that programs that genuinely encourage diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility - all good things - are getting shut down in the name of antidiscrimination. It's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, it's always been ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, and it will continue to be ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. But it's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ that a huge number of people, including people here on this forum, have swallowed uncritically.

If you really think discrimination is bad, then you should be full-throated in supporting DEIA programs. Instead, you fixate on those cases where DEIA was used by bad-faith actors as a hammer and use those to justify all of the attempts to discriminate that genuine DEIA programs are fighting. Because that is what the Yearslong Campaign has brainwashed you to do.

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"Reverse discrimination" is an easier soundbite than "intersectional approach to cultural and systems change" for those who think it's too hard to understand words.
 

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