So what form does the resistance take?

Huh. Your insight is appreciated. I did in fact assume Nebraska was mostly cornfields and white farmers (exceptions, of course, especially near cities). Mostly it was the wording in the RAICES program.that reinforced my perception, but it may be less Hispanic central than I assumed.
I agree that the wording used gives a particular impression. But realistically, it's a solution in search of a problem.

Also... Iowa and Illinois produce more corn than Nebraska, despite having less area.
 
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My stepfather is black, and has experienced a LOT of racism growing up in the deep south in the 50s and early 60s. But they very strongly felt that "Black Lives Matter" was the wrong way to go about this altogether
They? He is indecisive about his pronoun?? ;)

I think you're both taking the simple way out so you don't have to think about it.

Because a whole lot of the people chanting that slogan kept arguing for leniency and clemency toward criminals who had done actual harm, just because they were black. Those advocates didn't care about the lives of the police who were put in danger, nor did they care about the lives of other races who were harmed by both criminals and cops. The focus became a way to attack law enforcement in totality, including pushing for either seriously defunding or completely eliminating cops - and doing so ends up increasing the harm experienced in predominantly black neighborhoods. By and large, black people did NOT support defunding the cops or reducing law enforcement presence in their neighborhoods. By and large, black people did NOT support vilifying cops. And at the end of the day, when you actually bother to go look at the stats on unarmed people being shot or killed by police... it's very very few relative to the number of interactions, and the portion of those that are black are very small.
There's not some massive police racism problem in the US, there just isn't. There's
an occasional bad cop out there, yes, just as there are occasional bad anythings. But they aren't tolerated, it's rarely swept under the rug, and the public is usually pretty quick to identify and call out the actual bad actors.
I think you are taking the simple way out so you don't have to think about it ;) You are also being extremely--*extremely* naive about the problem of systemic racism, and seem to be viewing reality through colored glasses (pun intended)

I was a public defender in NY in the 90s. I represented clients who were largely black and hispanic. I was not a bleeding heart (I actually wanted to be a prosecutor, but I didn't have the political connections, so I took the defense job) I had plenty of clients who blamed everything on racism, when their real problem was that they were addicts and had behavioral problems. And yeah, while personal responsibility is the prime consideration in my book, you can trace some of that to systemic racism itself--so the issue is deep and complex. I think I understand it far better than you give me credit for. I literally had to use delay and legal tactics to get some of my clients away from racist judges--there was one judge in one well-off white community who would sentence anyone who was black to jail even if it was a traffic ticket. My most vivid memory was watching a couple white deputies yell "get in line, N****s" to a group of black men who were linked together with ankle braces and chains. I had seen plenty of confederate flags down in VA when I was in law school--but this was NY in the 90s! I had one client who was charged with harassment and resisting arrest who had his face turned into hamburger by a white cop. No doubt, he wasn't a choir boy--I strongly suspect he was drunk and mouthed off to the cop--but that does not justify them beating him to a pulp. Just as a criminal record does not justify killing someone. Every cop present at the scene of course testified that it was all just a result of him struggling and somehow rearranging his own face in the struggle. They all lied to back up their fellow officer. The lone non-cop who saw it go down refused to testify because he was on parole and didn't want to be sent back to jail. I worked with one entire police department that was later completely disbanded because they were using the drugs they seized from people they arrested. I was once pulled over when I drove to a black neighborhood to interview a client (because we had to do a lot of our own investigations) Simply because I was white. The cop told me as I rolled up the window "were you aware that this is a place where white folks come to buy drugs?" I didn't tell him why I was there (cause cops were not fond of defenders) I just let them illegally search my car and make something up to charge me with (which was later dismissed of course)
I could go on and on about this subject, but I'll spare you Emily since it is not exactly on topic (and this is my thread lol) but the bottom line is that racism runs deep in society and particularly the police. I don't believe *all* cops are horrible or racists--I have family members who were cops, and I had plenty of positive experiences with police I personally worked with. But the institution as a whole is riddled with corruption and racism, and even the good apples are complicit in allowing the bad to persist unabated. Black Lives Matter arose out of a recognition of this problem--racial profiling, a lack of community policing, an inordinate number of black men dying at the hands of police. I am not going to debate the stats with you, there are other threads for that. But I think you are blind to some very significant societal issues. You seem to base your opinion on a small subset of opinions. I base mine on personal interactions with thousands of people in these respective groups, along with the statistics and commentary from every point of view. I don't dismiss any of it. End o' rant!
 
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They? He is indecisive about his pronoun?? ;)

All of you are "they" now.

I think you are taking the simple way out so you don't have to think about it ;) You are also being extremely--*extremely* naive about the problem of systemic racism, and seem to be viewing reality through colored glasses (pun intended)

I was a public defender in NY in the 90s. I represented clients who were largely black and hispanic. I was not a bleeding heart (I actually wanted to be a prosecutor, but I didn't have the political connections, so I took the defense job) I had plenty of clients who blamed everything on racism, when their real problem was that they were addicts and had behavioral problems. And yeah, while personal responsibility is the prime consideration in my book, you can trace some of that to systemic racism itself--so the issue is deep and complex. I think I understand it far better than you give me credit for. I literally had to use delay and legal tactics to get some of my clients away from racist judges--there was one judge in one well-off white community who would sentence anyone who was black to jail even if it was a traffic ticket. My most vivid memory was watching a couple white deputies yell "get in line, N****s" to a group of black men who were linked together with ankle braces and chains. I had seen plenty of confederate flags down in VA when I was in law school--but this was NY in the 90s! I had one client who was charged with harassment and resisting arrest who had his face turned into hamburger by a white cop. No doubt, he wasn't a choir boy--I strongly suspect he was drunk and mouthed off to the cop--but that does not justify them beating him to a pulp. Just as a criminal record does not justify killing someone. Every cop present at the scene of course testified that it was all just a result of him struggling and somehow rearranging his own face in the struggle. They all lied to back up their fellow officer. The lone non-cop who saw it go down refused to testify because he was on parole and didn't want to be sent back to jail. I worked with one entire police department that was later completely disbanded because they were using the drugs they seized from people they arrested. I was once pulled over when I drove to a black neighborhood to interview a client (because we had to do a lot of our own investigations) Simply because I was white. The cop told me as I rolled up the window "were you aware that this is a place where white folks come to buy drugs?" I didn't tell him why I was there (cause cops were not fond of defenders) I just let them illegally search my car and make something up to charge me with (which was later dismissed of course)
I could go on and on about this subject, but I'll spare you Emily since it is not exactly on topic (and this is my thread lol) but the bottom line is that racism runs deep in society and particularly the police. I don't believe *all* cops are horrible or racists--I have family members who were cops, and I had plenty of positive experiences with police I personally worked with. But the institution as a whole is riddled with corruption and racism, and even the good apples are complicit in allowing the bad to persist unabated. Black Lives Matter arose out of a recognition of this problem--racial profiling, a lack of community policing, an inordinate number of black men dying at the hands of police. I am not going to debate the stats with you, there are other threads for that. But I think you are blind to some very significant societal issues. You seem to base your opinion on a small subset of opinions. I base mine on personal interactions with thousands of people in these respective groups, along with the statistics and commentary from every point of view. I don't dismiss any of it. End o' rant!

I appreciate your experience, and ftr I don't think it's simple, nor do I think racism doesn't exist. I do, however, think that defunding the police and focusing hatred and vilification on all police is not even remotely a problem to disparate sentencing. Just like I don't think vilification of males and claiming sexism at the drop of a hat is a reasonable solution to the disparate representation of females in executive and political positions - I don't even think that would start to address it, and would only cause friction and create new and exciting problems.

ACAB is a direct result of BLM... and I am quite certain that ACAB is a horrific approach.
 
I think one of the major problems for the resistance is the absence of the Soviet Union.

There was a time, dissidents from the American dream could get training, funding, intel from a a state sponsor committed to the destruction of the American state.

Russian disinformation farms create a lot of turmoil, but this just inflames all sides, without giving any one faction an advantage.

So we're left with these cargo cult protest movements. All the true revolutionaries left the building when International Socialism died.

What form does the resistance take? That you even have to ask speaks volumes about how far the resistance has fallen.
 
All of you are "they" now.



I appreciate your experience, and ftr I don't think it's simple, nor do I think racism doesn't exist. I do, however, think that defunding the police and focusing hatred and vilification on all police is not even remotely a problem to disparate sentencing. Just like I don't think vilification of males and claiming sexism at the drop of a hat is a reasonable solution to the disparate representation of females in executive and political positions - I don't even think that would start to address it, and would only cause friction and create new and exciting problems.

ACAB is a direct result of BLM... and I am quite certain that ACAB is a horrific approach.
BLM plays a part. But the police themselves contribute significantly to ACAB.
Contributing factors are things like the police (and the police union) refusing to accept responsibility for errors or actions. And from good cops lying to cover for their coworkers. (I've seen this first hand.) And from police chiefs who refuse to allow a citizen to file a complaint. (Again, first hand.) And from police officers who are just ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ during traffic stops. (First hand. Without provocation.) And from making up the "smell of cannabis" in order to search someone's car (usually a minority). (Second hand...happened to my stepson in my wife's car. He's an adamant anti-smoker due to asthma. Cop was a liar.) Also cops who try to pick fights in order to arrest someone. (Happened to me, but I didn't take the bait.)

Here's the thing. I'm a middle class, high school nerd, Boy Scout white guy who has never been arrested, had the cops called on him, or had more than a speeding ticket. If I've seen all of this in close proximity....

Are all cops bad? No. But there sure seem to be a lot that are. And it should not be tolerated. If nothing else, ACAB arises from the resistance police departments put up to any idea of reform or improvement.

Defunding the police is, as you say, a bad idea. But there have been enough mental health patients killed by police after their family members call for assistance to lead me to believe that it would not be inappropriate to redirect some of their budget to people who are actually trained and competent to handle such cases. Sometimes the appropriate first responder to show up is not a police officer.
 
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Brief objection: ACAB was used when my Gen X ass was in high school, and Wikipedia tells me it has been used as a slogan (exactly how it is today) since literally the 1920s and 40s.
Yep. I heard its variation in high school in the 70s.
 
Courts attempt to grab the chaos
Judge unable to find Musk in Doge
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But later, the DOJ attorneys claim Musk "has no actual or formal authority to make government decisions himself—including personnel decisions at individual agencies," & note he works under the WH, not DOGE. The DOJ says DOGE doen't have authority to direct personnel actions.
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An affidavit from Joshua Fisher, director of the Office of Administration, attests to the above, and also notes that Musk is NOT the DOGE administrator. Which begs the question... who is. Thus far, the White House has not said.5/5
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BLM plays a part. But the police themselves contribute significantly to ACAB.
Contributing factors are things like the police (and the police union) refusing to accept responsibility for errors or actions. And from good cops lying to cover for their coworkers. (I've seen this first hand.) And from police chiefs who refuse to allow a citizen to file a complaint. (Again, first hand.) And from police officers who are just ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ during traffic stops. (First hand. Without provocation.) And from making up the "smell of cannabis" in order to search someone's car (usually a minority). (Second hand...happened to my stepson in my wife's car. He's an adamant anti-smoker due to asthma. Cop was a liar.) Also cops who try to pick fights in order to arrest someone. (Happened to me, but I didn't take the bait.)

Here's the thing. I'm a middle class, high school nerd, Boy Scout white guy who has never been arrested, had the cops called on him, or had more than a speeding ticket. If I've seen all of this in close proximity....

Are all cops bad? No. But there sure seem to be a lot that are. And it should not be tolerated. If nothing else, ACAB arises from the resistance police departments put up to any idea of reform or improvement.

Defunding the police is, as you say, a bad idea. But there have been enough mental health patients killed by police after their family members call for assistance to lead me to believe that it would not be inappropriate to redirect some of their budget to people who are actually trained and competent to handle such cases. Sometimes the appropriate first responder to show up is not a police officer.
There was an inside joke in my old office that a resisting arrest charge (RA on the complaint) was simply a code word for "we beat the crap out of the defendant" It was a way to justify unprovoked assaults on citizens by the cops.

I am not so sure 'defunding the police' is so much a "bad idea" but it has been a bad slogan for sure. The meaning of the term for progressives is not to eliminate policing, but to make policing symbiotic with the community, so that police are a partner with a community rather than an 'Us vs Them' mentality. And the disparity of incarceration rates and people dying or being assaulted by police in this country vs others gives plenty of evidence for the system not being very effective or trustworthy. If you simplify it down to the most basic idealistic idea, putting all your money and effort into eliminating poverty, providing mental health support, providing rehabilitation etc is always gonna be better overall for society than ignoring all that and instead putting all your resources into arming the police and building more jails. And unfortunately, the public message of the current administration is just that: better arm the police, back them up in all circumstances, eliminate all safety nets and just let the poor and disabled fend for themselves. Boo to that.
 
Are these supposed to be all the Democrats who showed up to the polls last time but not this time? If so, they're a little late to make a difference.
Trumpflation and disasters on the world stage will make sure there is a Blue Flood in 2026. :)
 
Trumpflation and disasters on the world stage will make sure there is a Blue Flood in 2026. :)
Then we will have a useless congress opposed to Trump. He will not allow presidential elections in 2028, if he is still alive. He will appoint a successor. He will pick a president with an executive order. Claiming national sucurity. The Supreme Court will back it 5-4.
 
Then we will have a useless congress opposed to Trump. He will not allow presidential elections in 2028, if he is still alive. He will appoint a successor. He will pick a president with an executive order. Claiming national sucurity. The Supreme Court will back it 5-4.
The states run the elections, not the federal government.
 

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