Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

It was wider than that. It often wasn't "know and trust", it was seeing someone who was obviously a man dressed up as a woman, but who wasn't doing anything out of order otherwise, and being conditioned to #bekind and smother our discomfort, and not object to his presence. For me it was never "quietly allowing someone I knew and trusted", it was suppressing my natural reaction of discomfort and indeed alarm at the presence of a man I didn't know in a women-only space, because I had been conditioned to assume that this person should be given a free pass.
 
Well, I'm interested in how this insanity came to capture so many public and private bodies in just a few short years. Other movements seeking to gain rights for disadvantated groups took many decades and their struggles are well documented. They also took public opinion with them, so that when, for example, same-sex marriage was made legal, the majority of the public were broadly sympathetic.

In contrast the trans movement infiltrated below the surface, often moving in secrecy, and yet achieved an enormous amount of favourable legislative changes in approximately no time flat. How? While at the same time failing to take public opinion with them, so that now, when daylight is being shone on their activities for pretty much the first time, public support is turning sharply against them.

The possibility that there has been money involved in all this seems better than remote.

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I wonder if the author of the above article understands the linear progression of time, and the impact of social media and viral global interconnectedness? They sure seem oddly oblivious.
 
Interesting in the sense of being stone cold ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ nuts, yeah.
Yeah, stone cold nuts maybe... but she sure makes some valid points here in reply to a bleat by TRA. In it, she lays the blame for the current renewed oppression being suffered by gays and lesbians squarely at the feet of Trans Radical Activists... and rightly so IMO!

WARNING: Language is a bit "expressive"

 
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The possibility that there has been money involved in all this seems better than remote.

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It’s one thing to say that there is money involved and another to say it was a Big Pharma plot all along. It’s a little bit too close to the idea that Covid was a “plandemic”.

societal trends are far more dynamic than a simple top-down decision by some all-powerful group. As for the idea that this is the only progressive cause that became less popular over time as more and more people heard about it, that’s not really true. If you notice that Donald Trump was recently elected in the US there were all kinds of issues that the Republicans used against them: BLM, CRT, DEI, late-term abortions, immigration. They’ve been making sure that each of these things are being talked about in a negative way and people have by-and-large been soured on many of them as a result.

Yes, money gets spent on these things by corporate interests, but in many cases it has nothing to do with the pushing of drugs but companies will see it as good PR - good CSR - to ride the wave of fashion. And they can just as easily decide they don’t like something, or will stop talking about it, when it affects their bottom line.
 
As for the idea that this is the only progressive cause that became less popular over time as more and more people heard about it, that’s not really true. If you notice that Donald Trump was recently elected in the US there were all kinds of issues that the Republicans used against them: BLM, CRT, DEI, late-term abortions, immigration. They’ve been making sure that each of these things are being talked about in a negative way and people have by-and-large been soured on many of them as a result.
For secular progressives these new initialisms (BLM, CRT, DEI, etc.) provide a valuable service, a chance to reflect and repent and kneel before a greater cause. Many (if not most) Americans soured on these new ideologies right away, however, because they already got their weekly dose of repentance and absolution on Sunday morning and aren't in the market for another priesthood.
 
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This story is being covered by the 'usual sources' such as the contrarians at 'Spiked'. I wish I had a better source.

When a doctor of all people declares himself, as a transgender woman, to be ‘biologically female’, something has gone horribly wrong with society. This incredible statement was heard by the Edinburgh Employment Tribunal this week, when Dr Beth Upton explained why he believed he had every right to use the women’s changing rooms at his hospital.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/...-woman-does-not-make-you-biologically-female/
 
I've been following the hearing live, and that's a pretty decent summary as far as it goes.

What is missing is the account of the murky procedural shenanigans, which I don't think we've got to the bottom of yet. Upton was creepily making a "contemporaneous note" on his phone every time Mrs Peggie did something he felt was a slight. The first two occasions were simply her leaving the changing room when he entered and waiting outside till he'd finished. The incident late on Christmas Eve was the third in the changing rooms, and on this occasion Mrs Peggie was in a bit of a state due to a sudden menstrual flood, and needed to change herself right down to her undies, urgently. When she went into the changing room Upton was there. She asked him to leave and he refused, saying that he had as much right to be there as she had.

Note, if it had been another woman in the changing room, rather than creepy Upton, that other woman would have asked discreetly if Sandie was OK and if there was anything she could do, and then left the room as requested. Upton's behaviour patterns are anything but feminine.

Upton freaked out about this and submitted a complaint about Sandie's behaviour at 3.30 am on Christmas morning. All documented on his phone, along with a couple of occasions while they were working together when he took offence because she hadn't made eye contact with him. As an aside, I wonder how many other female employees working around Upton are now concerned that he has a list on his phone of times they did something that hurt his feelings. This is all about his need to feel safe. What did he think the 5' 6" Sandie was going to do to him? He's six feet two (although he only admitted to being six feet at the tribunal) and had arm muscles like a stevedore's. (He doesn't feel safe in the men's changing room, by they way.) Indeed, he considered reporting Sandie to the police over this "misgendering". It doesn't seem to matter if women feel unsafe though.

There was some sort of investigation into this, and it appears to have petered out without anything much happening. The documentation referring to this was not disclosed by the respondents, and Sandie's advocate realising this and applying for the missing documentation is part of what has caused the hearing to drag on so long. (Upton's rambling responses, continually objecting to counsel's choice of words and affecting not to understand, is another, and also his own counsel keeps interrupting and objecting which takes a lot of time.) Following that, Upton started to put together a much more serious set of complaints. These related to a couple of incidents he said occurred in the emergency room itself, where he alleged that Sandie had put patients at risk by refusing to work with him. However, he didn't report these at once, even though he is professionally required to act immediately if he sees a patient at risk. No contemporaneous notes, not even exact dates. He seemed to be being as vague as possible to make it difficult or impossible to find other staff members who could corroborate (or contradict) his account. He spent weeks in correspondence with the BMA trying to find out how he should complain about Sandie without exposing himself to jeopardy for being rumbled as making a false complaint.

It was as a result of this second set of complaints that Sandie was suspended from her job. Upton seems to have been believed without question, and the handling of the whole thing is extraordinarily murky. A highly pejorative email was sent to all staff, and the writer of that email has just been added to the list of respondents. The impression left is that Upton is highly manipulative and when his first attempt at getting Sandie into trouble seemed to be petering out, he decided to go for her with complaints that she put patients in danger. (The incident in the emergency room which has been dated turned out to have happened on 31st October, but Upton did nothing at the time, only making a complaint in January or February after much correspondence with the BMA apparently geared to protecting his own backside. In contrast, the complaint about the misgendering and lack of respect went in on Christmas morning - actually in the middle of the night - mere hours after the event.)

Amusingly, someone set up a crowdfunder page in order to "Let's show Dr Beth some love and support and raise some money so she can treat herself when this is all done!" The target was £500 and it's currently sitting at £1,847. Nice. (Although there are rather a lot of £1 donations from people with names like "Dr Fanny Baws".) About 30 hours later someone else set up an identical fundraiser for Sandie Peggie, again with the target of £500. It's currently sitting at £21,697.

ETA: The more I think about it, the weirder it is. Upton was in the habit of making contemporaneous notes on his phone if Sandie so much as looked at him funny - or didn't look at him, as the case may have been. He wanted to document it all in case it "escalated". But when he apparently saw her, twice, do things that he believed put a patient at risk, he made no notes, alerted nobody, and when he finally submitted a complaint months later he couldn't date the incidents to better than within a couple of months.
 
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Seems to me the "group of doctor mums" who decided to set up the fundraiser for creepy Upton for "love and treats" (the mind boggles) did Sandie Peggie a big favour. The fund started for her as an "up yours" in response to that has now topped £25,000. That's a lot of money to someone on a staff nurse's salary.
 
Well, I'm interested in how this insanity came to capture so many public and private bodies in just a few short years. Other movements seeking to gain rights for disadvantated groups took many decades and their struggles are well documented. They also took public opinion with them, so that when, for example, same-sex marriage was made legal, the majority of the public were broadly sympathetic.

In contrast the trans movement infiltrated below the surface, often moving in secrecy, and yet achieved an enormous amount of favourable legislative changes in approximately no time flat. How? While at the same time failing to take public opinion with them, so that now, when daylight is being shone on their activities for pretty much the first time, public support is turning sharply against them.

The possibility that there has been money involved in all this seems better than remote.

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You're ignoring that on the surface, this is another social justice war, like the civil rights/gay rights movements. It's only when people start to look harder that they see it's not just a case of granting previously unfairly withheld rights from people because they were part of a minority. Unlike in those cases granting previously withheld rights is seriously impinging on the rights of others (I don't buy the argument that granting civil rights to Blacks in any way impinged on the rights of Whites, or that granting marriage rights to gays did anything negative to traditional married couples). However, giving certain rights to transgenders (particularly transwomen) does impinge on the rights of others (particularly women).

Unfortunately, the social justice warriors of the world have learned a neat trick that tells them whose rights to prioritize: those who are the most oppressed. And in the modern oppression Olympics, the transgenders are getting the gold medal these days.

It is fair to point out that there is certainly a financial incentive for big pharma and big medicine to be supportive of transitioning, particularly among young adults and teens. You take a cohort of the group that least needs prescription drugs and visits to the doctor in all of society and turn them into paying customers? Not hard to see the incentive to go with the flow. But that's a far cry from being behind the sudden rush to transition; there I think social media is probably to blame.
 
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It is fair to point out that there is certainly a financial incentive for big pharma and big medicine to be supportive of transitioning, particularly among young adults and teens. You take a cohort of the group that least needs prescription drugs and visits to the doctor in all of society and turn them into paying customers? Not hard to see the incentive to go with the flow. But that's a far cry from being behind the sudden rush to transition; there I think social media is probably to blame.
I don't really buy this argument.

Transgender people are a tiny, tiny percentage of the prescription drugs market, so in the big picture, there is not a lot of money to be made. Also, there is potential for public backlash against those pharmaceutical companies who provide the drugs for this so-called "treatment".

There is also a definite turning of the tide on this stuff, with things happening such as Stonewall changing their definition of transphobia and removing certain keywords from their website and the NCAA now banning TIMs from competing in female sports. That last one surpised the hell out of me, because the NCAA are such an ideologically captured organization, I would have expected them to be a key player in any legal action to try to overturn The Fat Orange Turd's EO.
 
The struggles for racial equality and against anti-homosexual prejudice took a very long time. They're still not done - racism and gay-bashing are still happening and acceptance is still grudging in many quarters. Conversely, the pro-trans movement came from nowhere in about five minutes, to the point where just about every organisation in the western world is fawning over them, legislating special privileges on demand, and painting rainbows on its walls and any other available surface. To me, this is odd.
 
This is an interesting take on the Upton affair.


Upton has said that he would be absolutely entitled to attend to a patient who had requested a female doctor, and there is no requirement on him to reveal "personal information". If the violated patient realised that he was male (not that Upton would agree with that assessment), which let's face it is entirely likely, she would then have to make a further specific request not to be treated by Upton. No thought at all for the effect of this on an already sick and/or traumatised woman.
 
This is an interesting take on the Upton affair.
Employment tribunals are generally tilted towards the employee, unless the employer has clearly documented everything and can demonstrate they have acted fairly.

NHSFife has been very aggressive in their legal strategy, requiring all 3 family members of the claimant to testify and be cross-examined about her level of distress. They have been very poor in disclosing relevant information and Dr Upton has been very long-winded under cross-examination, insisted that because of his gender identity he is entitled to use a female changing room, and used the full range of activist arguments including disputing use of language. It is likely we will have a witness from NHSFife as to the meaning of sex.

This is going to be a precedent setting case in the UK, and I suspect whatever the initial judgement is, it will be appealed.
 
The struggles for racial equality and against anti-homosexual prejudice took a very long time. They're still not done - racism and gay-bashing are still happening and acceptance is still grudging in many quarters. Conversely, the pro-trans movement came from nowhere in about five minutes, to the point where just about every organisation in the western world is fawning over them, legislating special privileges on demand, and painting rainbows on its walls and any other available surface. To me, this is odd.
You're comparing apples and oranges here. The organizations that are fawning over the transgenders are certainly not the same ones who are only grudgingly accepting Blacks and gays. And the rainbow is not solely a trans symbol.
 

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