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Merged The razor of Hitchens and the Spirits!

The fact that we do not have sufficient scientific evidence today does not mean that we should rule out the possibility of spirits; it may only be a matter of time until new methods or technologies allow their investigation.
There's nothing to investigate. The methods and technologies we already have are more than adequate to show that everything supposedly explained by spirits can more plausibly be explained in more mundane ways.
 
The fact that we do not have sufficient scientific evidence today does not mean that we should rule out the possibility of spirits; it may only be a matter of time until new methods or technologies allow their investigation.
That's invariably true for anything you can imagine, and therefore not sufficient justification for believing in it today. We're not interested in excuses for why you don't have evidence, or expressions of your hope that someday you will.

Nobody is "ruling out the possibility" of spirits. But for now, the evidence for other explanations for the claimed experiences is stronger and is perfectly observable and measurable with techniques we already have mastered.

I don't know English!
Then either get a better translation solution or find someone who speaks your language. You're starting to use this as an excuse for why you don't have to engage your critics.
 
Then either get a better translation solution or find someone who speaks your language. You're starting to use this as an excuse for why you don't have to engage your critics.
I have no personal empirical evidence of the existence of spirits, I am just presenting to you something that I consider evidence, for you to analyze!
 
The fact that we do not have sufficient scientific evidence today does not mean that we should rule out the possibility of spirits; it may only be a matter of time until new methods or technologies allow their investigation.
I don't know English!
More gibberish. Deal with the points people have raised.
 
I have no personal empirical evidence of the existence of spirits, I am just presenting to you something that I consider evidence, for you to analyze!
This statement has nothing to do with your ongoing complaints that you cannot speak English. This is an English-language forum. If you're going to present your claims here, you must do so in English. If you cannot, you should seek out people who speak your language. If you insist on remaining, you may not continually disclaim your inability to understand the language of this forum as an excuse why you are not obliged to address your critics.

You have presented what you think is evidence and we have explained why it is insufficient to support your claims. You are not being asked to produce extraordinary evidence.
 
You are not being asked to produce extraordinary evidence.
Should I continue to present empirical evidence of the existence of spirits for you to analyze or not? Here in Brazil the belief in spirits is very strong, it is different from the United States!
 
Should I continue to present empirical evidence of the existence of spirits for you to analyze or not? Here in Brazil the belief in spirits is very strong, it is different from the United States!
1. You should deal with the objections raised to what you have presented.

2. Just because it is strongly held in Brazil is meaningless. Just because lots of people believe it doesn't make it true.

3. Not everyone here is American. I'm not for a start.
 
1. You should deal with the objections raised to what you have presented.

2. Just because it is strongly held in Brazil is meaningless. Just because lots of people believe it doesn't make it true.

3. Not everyone here is American. I'm not for a start.
However, skeptics also bear the burden of explaining why so many people across cultures and histories have reported experiences with spirits. Rather than dismissing these experiences out of hand, skeptics must engage with them critically and explore alternative explanations
 
However, skeptics also bear the burden of explaining why so many people across cultures and histories have reported experiences with spirits. Rather than dismissing these experiences out of hand, skeptics must engage with them critically and explore alternative explanations
No, they don't.

You're getting the burden of proof wrong again.
 
I don't know English


That hasn't stopped you from spamming the forum with meaningless rubbish. If you can't even understand the words you're posting why are you wasting everyone's time by posting it? What do you think you're getting out of this? You are wasting other people's time and making yourself look like a fool. You're obviously not here to discuss the rubbish you post.
 
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just because something seems extraordinary today doesn't mean it's impossible or false, just that our current understanding may be limited
Einstein's theory of relativity was initially seen as extraordinary and counterintuitive but is now widely accepted

Goat. Testicle. One. You.
 
However, skeptics also bear the burden of explaining why so many people across cultures and histories have reported experiences with spirits. Rather than dismissing these experiences out of hand, skeptics must engage with them critically and explore alternative explanations
Which is exactly what happened.

Nobody dismissed superstitious beliefs out of hand. They were investigated, and found not to stand up.

There's no mystery about why people have traditionally believed this stuff. Cognitive biases and fallible perceptions fully explain it.
 
Should I continue to present empirical evidence of the existence of spirits for you to analyze or not?
You can make whatever argument you wish and present whatever you think is evidence. But you are obliged to engage your critics with more than just glib, one-sentence statements. You've spent more than thirty pages simply repeating the same short statements over and over again. You aren't paying attention to what anyone else says.

Here in Brazil the belief in spirits is very strong, it is different from the United States!
Yes, we all know that. However, social norms are not evidence for something to be factually correct.

However, skeptics also bear the burden of explaining why so many people across cultures and histories have reported experiences with spirits.
Explanations have been provided.

Rather than dismissing these experiences out of hand, skeptics must engage with them critically and explore alternative explanations
The experiences are not being dismissed "out of hand." The conclusion that those experiences are actually being caused by spirits is challenged on proper grounds. Other hypotheses have a priori plausibility and have evidence to support them. The spirit hypothesis does not. It is based on interpretation or attribution, not objective, testable evidence. Insisting that it must still be the conclusion does not shift the burden of proof.
 
Should I continue to present empirical evidence of the existence of spirits for you to analyze or not?


Continue? That's a joke! You haven't presented any empirical evidence, just glib meaningless statements and copy pasta that YOU have admitted you don't understand! Oh, and childish pleas to start again because even you can see how unconvincing you are.What do you imagine you're going to get out of this?

If you actually put in the minimal effort to try and understand what YOUR words that I asked you to explain actually meant you might actually learn something. But that's not why you're here is it? Why are you here? Be honest for once.
 
However, skeptics also bear the burden of explaining why so many people across cultures and histories have reported experiences with spirits. Rather than dismissing these experiences out of hand, skeptics must engage with them critically and explore alternative explanations
Many people are ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ fruit loops.

The debate is over!
 
Should I continue to present empirical evidence of the existence of spirits for you to analyze or not? Here in Brazil the belief in spirits is very strong, it is different from the United States!

To be very repetitive: you have not presented ANY evidence, just claims and supposition.

And sod off with insulting us by assuming we are all in the US. Shall I call you Argentinian? Bolivian? Peruvian?

And stop falling back on Sagan and Hitchens, as most of us here have NOT cited them and have told you the standards of evidence we expect.
 

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