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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 9

Jack by the hedge said:
Probably not so many corrupt Ukrainian quartermasters have a brother in law with a C17.

Despite Ukraine's corruption problem being worse than most places which aren't Russia, I think the greater probability is that Carlson is full of ◊◊◊◊ and just uncritically repeating Russian vranyo.
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I'm not saying Tucker Carlson has a point. I'm saying @LDE1976 doesn't. Despite Ukraine's circumstances, there is some dissent and corruption. Carlson is just being absurd about the extent of it.
 
Did we know there are corruption and fraud problems in Ukraine? Yes, we did.

Wait till you hear what Musk has discovered about the USA. It'll knock your socks off.
 
theprestige said:
Presumably they'd go to some broker, who then sells them on. Just because Carlson is making stupid claims, that doesn't mean the rebuttals should also be stupid.
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The video I posted shows how impractical this is. Calling rebuttals stupid doesn't make it stupid.

The weapons systems we are giving Ukraine are either too large for the Cartels to use, or are easier to get from other sources.

As McBeth points out not one serial number from equipment seized by the Mexican government (and yes, as limited as they are they have seized gear) traces back to Ukraine.

You making apologetics for Russian Propaganda at this point.
 
kookbreaker said:
The video I posted shows how impractical this is. Calling rebuttals stupid doesn't make it stupid.

The weapons systems we are giving Ukraine are either too large for the Cartels to use, or are easier to get from other sources.

As McBeth points out not one serial number from equipment seized by the Mexican government (and yes, as limited as they are they have seized gear) traces back to Ukraine.

You making apologetics for Russian Propaganda at this point.
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Hah, fair enough. Sometimes my thought experiments are a bit of a limp biscuit.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Wait till you hear what Musk has discovered about the USA. It'll knock your socks off.
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I think not. It is all fake, or he would deliver the evidence to the prosecutor.

Or maybe he will - once the judges have been cowed to deliver the verdict that Musk decides.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Hegseth

"We must start by recognizing that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective, the US does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement."

Video in link

https://twitter.com/x/status/1889683478578381015
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Huh. The day after Russia released an American prisoner in a PR victory for Trump.

From CBS:
The White House has declined to provide details about what the U.S. was giving up in the deal with Russia, and Mr. Trump also refused to say how it was reached, only describing the terms as "very fair, very reasonable."
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A coincidence, no doubt. They probably didn't even discuss Ukraine.
 
We can give you peace for all your mineral wealth. In return you will lose your land and you won't get an alliance, so Russia can try again in 5 years time.

BUT.... we're not Russian tools.
 
From Donald's call with Putin

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
But first, as we both agreed, we want to stop the millions of deaths taking place in the War with Russia/Ukraine. President Putin even used my very strong Campaign motto of, "COMMON SENSE." We both believe very strongly in it. We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other's Nations. We have also agreed to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately, and we will begin by calling President Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, to inform him of the conversation
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