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Ed Does anyone here believe that Princess Diana's car crash was suspicious?

That's called "a coincidence" champ. They literally happen every single day.

ETA: That also assumes that the lawyer and butler were accurate in their reporting and not just making it up.
 
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BartholomewWest said:
I still think it is odd that Diana told both the butler and the lawyer that Charles was going to kill her in a car crash.... before later dying in a car crash.
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#1: This is hearsay. You are reporting what one person said to another person without providing any evidence that they actually said that.

#2: This is the Argument from Personal Incredulity. To put it bluntly, the fact that you think it is odd is irrelevant to the facts of the case. Your failure of imagination is not an argument in support of your position.

You just confirmed my summation of the thread, and did it in a single sentence. I find myself a bit impressed.
 
BartholomewWest said:
I still think it is odd that Diana told both the butler and the lawyer that Charles was going to kill her in a car crash.... before later dying in a car crash.
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What is your evidence for that claim?

If it's true, wasn't it rash of her to get in a car with a drunk driver and not wear her seatbelt?
 
I still think there is a huge difference between believing in tarot cards and thinking "Someone is liable to hurt his ex's new partner."

By the way, I am surprised that left-wingers (I assume most atheists are left-wing) aren't more into conspiracies.

After all, most conspiracies would seem to favor the left. If you think Reagan was evil, wouldn't the October Surprise thing give you more ammunition?

If you think white people have mistreated blacks (a reasonable position) wouldn't thinking that Malcolm X was killed by the FBI give you more ammunition?

If you think Bush and Cheney were evil, wouldn't saying "He let 9/11 happen and possibly cheated Kerry in the elections" be music to your ears?
 
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BartholomewWest said:
I still think there is a huge difference between believing in tarot cards and thinking "Someone is liable to hurt his ex's new partner."
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I don't disagree, but this is not relevant. Please try to retain focus.
BartholomewWest said:
By the way, I am surprised that left-wingers (I assume most atheists are left-wing) aren't more into conspiracies.
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Non-relevant, non sequitur, nonsensical, and simply off topic. Almost impressive, well done.
BartholomewWest said:
After all, most conspiracies would seem to favor the left. If you think Reagan was evil, wouldn't the October Surprise thing give you more ammunition?

If you think white people have mistreated blacks (a reasonable position) wouldn't thinking that Malcolm X was killed by the FBI give you more ammunition?
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Utterly off topic. Utterly irrelevant. Utterly stupid. I retract my prior praise.

Do you have anything to say that might support your theory that Diana was murdered?
 
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As for Henri Paul's role in this, yes, it could have been a suicide mission.
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Why? Can you suggest a reason he would not only agree to try to kill Dosi and Diana but also willingly sacrifice his life rather than just put his seatbelt on? Nor can I.

Do you suppose all that money in his bank accounts were bribes to kill himself? Do you suppose he thought he could take it with him? No, nor do I.
 
I still think it is strange that Barry Manakee died in a road crash, Morton was the victim of a burglary, the other guy was wiretapped, a different guy was sent to Iraq and then dismissed from the Army altogether, Diana herself was wiretapped and then Dodi and Diana died, too.

Not to mention the paparazzo dying later and the valet dying later.
 
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arthwollipot said:
A pair of forward facing lights designed not to dazzle oncoming traffic doesn't make driving in a tunnel that I remind you would have been pitch black a great deal less dangerous.
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Unlit country roads at night are also pitch black other than your car's headlights. The headlights do their intended job.

In any case this seems like an irrelevant digression. There wasn't a power cut. There was one traffic camera covering the tunnel, but nobody was watching it after 11 o'clock.

Then a drunk driver came along doing twice the speed limit in his boss's limo as he tried to shake off the pursuing paparazzi. He lost control and went headfirst into a concrete pillar. The end.
 
BartholomewWest said:
I still think there is a huge difference between believing in tarot cards and thinking "Someone is liable to hurt his ex's new partner."

By the way, I am surprised that left-wingers (I assume most atheists are left-wing) aren't more into conspiracies.

After all, most conspiracies would seem to favor the left. If you think Reagan was evil, wouldn't the October Surprise thing give you more ammunition?

If you think white people have mistreated blacks (a reasonable position) wouldn't thinking that Malcolm X was killed by the FBI give you more ammunition?

If you think Bush and Cheney were evil, wouldn't saying "He let 9/11 happen and possibly cheated Kerry in the elections" be music to your ears?
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To all of the above: critical thinkers reject it all, regardless of political affiliation or comparing it to something else. If it's vacuous, it's vacuous, no matter if it suits a narrative or not

Eta: and did you hear what you just asked? "Why don't you believe <whatever> if it suits and reinforces your preconceived position?"

That's confirmation bias. And it's profoundly dishonest and anti-intellectual. Or in a phrase, it's the hallmark of a dumb-ass liar.
 
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BartholomewWest said:
I still think it is strange that Barry Manakee died in a road crash, Morton was the victim of a burglary, the other guy was wiretapped, a different guy was sent to Iraq and then dismissed from the Army altogether, Diana herself was wiretapped and then Dodi and Diana died, too.

Not to mention the paparazzo dying later and the valet dying later.
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Your thinking it is strange means nothing. I think your obsession with this subject is strange, but that also means nothing. Opinions, be they yours or mine mean nothing.

Do you have any evidence of anything at all (preferably the murder of Diana, as that is the subject of this thread)?

Innuendo, supposition, suspicion, uncomfortable feelings, what-if's and messages from the beyond do not count.

Evidence. This is the thing, do you have any evidence that Diana was murdered?


[You don't, this is clear. If you did you would have presented it days ago. If you did then you wouldn't have tried to wriggle down quite so many irrelevant rabbit-holes as you have.]
 
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Just realized that with every high profile assassination in the past 30 years the killers didn't care about cameras at all. The Mossad and FSB hits in recent years didn't feature disabled cameras. The entire CCT argument is moot. Assassins move on the target at the best possible moment of success, either surprise, or in a set up where they're in control to some extent.

Been watching Sammy the Bull's podcast and Youtube channel for the past few weeks. If you want to know about killing, he did it on an industrial scale.
 
Modern era, for sure the killing will be on camera. So you bundle up and avoid facial recognition as best you can.

The challenge, to the true professionals, is to get to a disguise drop without being tracked.

I'd tell you where the blind spots are, but that would undercut my market advantage.
 
BartholomewWest said:
I read a little bit about James Hewitt. IIRC, He was thrilled when he got sent to Germany. He crowed to Diana "I've finally got the chance to command my own squadron!" or something. He couldn't understand her anger at this. Women, they just don't understand! Don't they understand this is a promotion!?

Diana read this properly and coldly told him "You notice how none of the Parker-Bowles ever get sent to Germany?"
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Andrew Parker Bowles was deployed to Zimbabwe. Who is the confused party, you and/or her?

Who are other members of Parker-Bowles family who were in the military? This might reveal the extent of her/your confusion.

I picked this factoid at random, and i now have a heightened sense that most everything you post is steaming bs.
 
Wouldn't that bolster my theory, if anything?

Camilla and Charles had an on-again-off-again relationship.

Perhaps when it was "on again", Andrew was conveniently sent off.
 
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