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Ed Does anyone here believe that Princess Diana's car crash was suspicious?

You'd be surprised. I used to have a gay roommate.

He would bring home tons of men....and these were married guys who were really macho and Trump supporters.

A surprising amount of rednecks are into that.
 
It's true. Just because he has a wife and children doesn't mean that he doesn't have sex with men too. But given the (complete lack of) evidence, I doubt it.
 
arthwollipot said:
It's true. Just because he has a wife and children doesn't mean that he doesn't have sex with men too. But given the (complete lack of) evidence, I doubt it.
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Well, a guy walked in on them.

Usually, I wouldn't care who Charles fools around with - but this guy was involved in a financial scandal.

And there is evidence of that, I am afraid.
 
@BartholomewWest :
Please stop this Gish Gallop. You are meandering around all over the place. You are taking no time at all to consider the rebuttals given to your claims. Instead, you dart off on this or that side-track. Can you please address the links that were shared with you, disproving a number of your claims, before you go off on yet another tangent? Your unwillingness to have a serious conversation about the facts does you no service at all.
Also, stick to the topic, which is the death of Diana.
 
Another thing. One of the numerous horndogs says he was under surveillance, too.

web.archive.org

Princess Diana's lover suspects her last voice messages were hacked

Highly personal voicemails left by Diana, Princess of Wales, may have been hacked in the months before her death, sources close to her former lover have claimed.
web.archive.org web.archive.org

Bad things happen if you touch the future king's ex. That's all I am saying.
 
BartholomewWest said:
Another thing. One of the numerous horndogs says he was under surveillance, too.

web.archive.org

Princess Diana's lover suspects her last voice messages were hacked

Highly personal voicemails left by Diana, Princess of Wales, may have been hacked in the months before her death, sources close to her former lover have claimed.
web.archive.org web.archive.org

Bad things happen if you touch the future king's ex. That's all I am saying.
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No. There you go again, not paying enough attention even to your own links.
He didn't say he was under surveillance. "Unnamed sources close to Dr Khan said he suspected his phone messages were hacked." That's what this article says. No actual quote, no evidence whatsoever, just speculation. Not only that, he is only alleged to have been Diana's lover: again, this is unconfirmed speculation.
Why are you so eager to believe unsourced and unverified speculation?
 
BartholomewWest said:
They had a motive. Even several. This woman was an embarrassment. She would run her mouth to Morton about what a scumbag Charles was. Martin Bashir, too. She would sleep with every man who would have her. She allegedly would even stalk one and harass his wife. She was bulimic and suicidal and would do stuff like throwing herself down the stairs while pregnant. Not dignified behavior. She also twice dated a Muslim guy. They can't have that. Especially when he's a bum like Dodi. You could tell Dodi was a creep just by looking at him! At least that Khan guy was a heart surgeon and therefore somewhat respectable, I suppose.

She was also against land mines. Anyone who goes after the military industrial complex gets...uhm, well, you can't do that. Let's just put it that way.
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Hey wait. Isn't that a bit sexist? Charles picked a naive young woman of eighteen to act as a brood mare, to do his life's career of producing an heir and a spare (preferably both male), whilst she apparently was under a romantic illusion of being in love and an old fashioned wife. Charles was consorting with people like Lord Mountbatten, Reverend Ball and Sir Jimmy Savile, all characters associated with paedophilia. Charles married soppy young Diana whilst all the time he was carrying on with a married RC woman married to someone else. I mean Camilla is probably a beard IMV and Charles has to be seen to be 'respectable' can't have young darling boys to-ing and fro-ing from his chambers. So if you are going to slut shame Diana, have a go at the person who drove an emotionally unstable young lady over the top in the first place.
 
BartholomewWest said:
Well, here is one thing that just never made any sense to me. The cops looked for the white car. They said they couldn't find it. So Fayed hired detectives. First they said it belonged to a random Vietnamese guy. The Vietnamese guy was really not forthcoming and just really shady. His own father threw him under the bus and said "He's lying to the cops about this!" He gave an alibi that made no sense...and the cops just ruled him out anyway!

But even that wasn't the end of it. Then they said the white car belonged to a paparazzo. Then they said he wasn't even in Paris that day!

Then, the guy committed suicide by burning himself alive, while locking himself inside- and they couldn't find his keys, btw. But he had holes in his head that looked like gunshots. They tried to say the holes were caused by fire. WTH.
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You're conflating two different guys, the one found in a burnt out car was Andanson [_sp?] whilst Van Guy [_sp?] the Vietnamese guy, did indeed respray his car the next day, etc., etc.

But hey, even if all of this is incredibly suspicious, what next? What is the next step?


BTW I am on your side, bartholmewwest. Heck, I am even wearing a thirty-year-old Bryter Layter t-shirt. The nineteen nineties never left.
 
BartholomewWest said:
I think the photographers may have been spies and may have deliberately chased them in such a way as to cause a crash. They may have somehow blinded the driver, too.

I will note another thing. Charles seems to have a lot of weird scandals.

There was another bizarre story. One male valet said he was raped by another male valet. And that Charles may have banged one of them.

Diana taped this guy without his knowledge. He confided in her about the rape stuff. She apparently kept the tape as blackmail material.

This became disclosed to the world when yet a different butler was in trouble for theft....and the Queen pulled strings to get him off the hook.

Royal 'rape-claim valet' dies aged 44

WELSH former royal servant George Smith, who claimed he was raped by one of Prince Charles's close aides, has died, his father said last night.
www.walesonline.co.uk www.walesonline.co.uk


Dominick Dunne wrote about it for Vanity Fair, hardly a supermarket tabloid.
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I knew a few guys who worked at the Palace. Yes, a lot of the staff are gay. Gays love the idea of royalty. I have a couple of gay friends who took me to a pub in Hampstead, King William IV. Full of people named Justin with a lisp and claiming to be a ballet dancer. At the end of the evening they raised a toast to the Queen. I was told this was conventional.
 
Vixen said:
I knew a few guys who worked at the Palace. Yes, a lot of the staff are gay. Gays love the idea of royalty. I have a couple of gay friends who took me to a pub in Hampstead, King William IV. Full of people named Justin with a lisp and claiming to be a ballet dancer. At the end of the evening they raised a toast to the Queen. I was told this was conventional.
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This proves that Charles has male lovers and so wanted to kill Diana?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
WRT tips, I heard from an Uber driver in the UK about the kind of tips some drivers can earn. When a rich Saudi comes to, say, London, he will buy an expensive car, like a Range Rover, to use while he's there. When he leaves, he gifts the car to his driver. The driver I was talking to had a friend who received such a car. That's tens of thousands of pounds of car, in one go. Add that up over time, and 170,000 pounds is easily reachable.
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Hmmm. Could fall foul of HMRC.
 
BartholomewWest said:
I maintain that you can't trust the NSA. You just can't.

First they said "We didn't spy on her at all." Then it was "Perhaps we did but it was accidental and not targeted." Then it was 1,000 pages. Then it was 39. Then it was "It was for her own protection, cause of the IRA." Then it was "We have it but we can't give it to you, cause of national security concerns."

That's what they always, always do. They always come up with excuses like that.
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'They' just classify it for 100 years.
 
BartholomewWest said:
... By the way, the fact that the Queen can halt a trial - that alone is disturbing.
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Hmm. That might be true. Criminal cases are tried as the crown vs the defendant, so I suppose the crown could hypothetically drop their case if the monarch said so.

But is that anything like as disturbing as the US president not only having the hypothetical power to pardon a conviction, but actually using that power?
 
zooterkin said:
This proves that Charles has male lovers and so wanted to kill Diana?
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You've heard of double standards? I wouldn't know if Charles or Philip wanted Diana out of the way but the relationship was certainly acrimonious and Fayed a persona non grata. Diana was perceived to be attacking the Royal Family with every weapon she could.
 
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