arthwollipot
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You clearly haven't looked deeply enough into the very strange and convoluted history of the British royal family. It's not Game of Thrones. It's weirder.
Ed Does anyone here believe that Princess Diana's car crash was suspicious?
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BartholomewWest
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Well, here is one thing that just never made any sense to me. The cops looked for the white car. They said they couldn't find it. So Fayed hired detectives. First they said it belonged to a random Vietnamese guy. The Vietnamese guy was really not forthcoming and just really shady. His own father threw him under the bus and said "He's lying to the cops about this!" He gave an alibi that made no sense...and the cops just ruled him out anyway!
But even that wasn't the end of it. Then they said the white car belonged to a paparazzo. Then they said he wasn't even in Paris that day!
Then, the guy committed suicide by burning himself alive, while locking himself inside- and they couldn't find his keys, btw. But he had holes in his head that looked like gunshots. They tried to say the holes were caused by fire. WTH.
Thermal
August Member
He was at work. At his job. How does that not make sense?
Yeah, they still havent positively identified it, which I found odd too. After reading that there were some 4,000 of this style of car with French plates at the time, I'm a little less surprised.
You should alert someone to this mysterious death. The media was still speaking with him as recently as 2022. Zombies, brah. It's a whole new angle.
None of which indicates an assassination.
BartholomewWest
Banned
The Vietnamese guy had an alibi that went something like "I worked the night shift with a co-worker...but I don't know his name. He can't vouch for me." And the cops just dropped it and eliminated him.
Though his own father said "He spray painted it red and wouldn't explain why! His brother is a mechanic and he woke him up in the middle of the night to disguise that car!"
It got even weirder with the paparazzo. Later on, his offices got burglarized, didn't they? He worked for Sipa and they reported a break in.
And then different photographers ALSO reported weird stuff happening to them.
www.smh.com.au
nypost.com
Though his own father said "He spray painted it red and wouldn't explain why! His brother is a mechanic and he woke him up in the middle of the night to disguise that car!"
It got even weirder with the paparazzo. Later on, his offices got burglarized, didn't they? He worked for Sipa and they reported a break in.
And then different photographers ALSO reported weird stuff happening to them.
Mr Paparazzi appears at Diana inquest
A bomb threat was sent to an Australian paparazzi king's London office days after Princess Diana's death, her inquest has heard.
DI DEATH-CRASH FOTOG IN GRISLY MYSTERY DEATH
A top paparazzo who was probed in the death of Princess Diana has been found dead – horribly burned – in mysterious circumstances in the remote woods of southern France. The burned body…
nypost.com
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BartholomewWest
Banned
Photographer accused of helping MI6 kill Diana was found dead in
James Andanson: The photographer was found dead in a burnt out BMW with a hole in his head
www.standard.co.uk
Thermal
August Member
Ok, what does any of this have to do with evidence that the accident was a hit?The Vietnamese guy had an alibi that went something like "I worked the night shift with a co-worker...but I don't know his name. He can't vouch for me." And the cops just dropped it and eliminated him.
Though his own father said "He spray painted it red and wouldn't explain why! His brother is a mechanic and he woke him up in the middle of the night to disguise that car!"
It got even weirder with the paparazzo. Later on, his offices got burglarized, didn't they? He worked for Sipa and they reported a break in.
And then different photographers ALSO reported weird stuff happening to them.
Mr Paparazzi appears at Diana inquest
A bomb threat was sent to an Australian paparazzi king's London office days after Princess Diana's death, her inquest has heard.
DI DEATH-CRASH FOTOG IN GRISLY MYSTERY DEATH
A top paparazzo who was probed in the death of Princess Diana has been found dead – horribly burned – in mysterious circumstances in the remote woods of southern France. The burned body…
You take any incident anywhere at any time, then scrutinize the peripheral bit players across decades, and some things will come up that look weird.
What I'm asking is what evidence is there that a human being made some definable effort to execute Diana, and that this accident was somehow planned?
Thermal
August Member
I had no idea you were referring to that guy. He was cleared of being the Fiat owner when the paint didnt match. Police got interested in him because he bragged about being there and that he had explosive photos of it, but when questioned, he had proof of being 170 miles away at the time.Photographer accused of helping MI6 kill Diana was found dead in
James Andanson: The photographer was found dead in a burnt out BMW with a hole in his head
Are you suggesting he was the mastermind of The Hit? Walk me through what you think he did to carry it out, please.
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BartholomewWest
Banned
I think the photographers may have been spies and may have deliberately chased them in such a way as to cause a crash. They may have somehow blinded the driver, too.
I will note another thing. Charles seems to have a lot of weird scandals.
There was another bizarre story. One male valet said he was raped by another male valet. And that Charles may have banged one of them.
Diana taped this guy without his knowledge. He confided in her about the rape stuff. She apparently kept the tape as blackmail material.
This became disclosed to the world when yet a different butler was in trouble for theft....and the Queen pulled strings to get him off the hook.
www.walesonline.co.uk
Dominick Dunne wrote about it for Vanity Fair, hardly a supermarket tabloid.
I will note another thing. Charles seems to have a lot of weird scandals.
There was another bizarre story. One male valet said he was raped by another male valet. And that Charles may have banged one of them.
Diana taped this guy without his knowledge. He confided in her about the rape stuff. She apparently kept the tape as blackmail material.
This became disclosed to the world when yet a different butler was in trouble for theft....and the Queen pulled strings to get him off the hook.
Royal 'rape-claim valet' dies aged 44
WELSH former royal servant George Smith, who claimed he was raped by one of Prince Charles's close aides, has died, his father said last night.
www.walesonline.co.uk
Dominick Dunne wrote about it for Vanity Fair, hardly a supermarket tabloid.
Thermal
August Member
Ok, and how does any of their sordid lifestyles show evidence of a planned murder via Mercedes? You keep glossing over that part. And it's the only part we are talking about.
What evidence is there about a secret clan of picture taking assassins? Were they in the tunnel ahead of the speeding Mercedes? And they luckily got out of the way of the uncontrolable crash in confined quarters or something?
What evidence is there about a secret clan of picture taking assassins? Were they in the tunnel ahead of the speeding Mercedes? And they luckily got out of the way of the uncontrolable crash in confined quarters or something?
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BartholomewWest
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In the case of the rape (and the theft), the royals engaged in a cover up. They made the tapes go missing. IIRC.
Well, that shows you 2 things. Or even 3. 1) They have the power to cover up scandals and make evidence go missing. 2) Yet another person connected to them died prematurely. 3) If Diana had proof Charles is gay and hangs out with a gay rapist and was blackmailing him with tapes, that's yet another reason to kill her.
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Thermal
August Member
First you have to establish that it *was* a murder, or could at least plausibly been one, before throwing shade on who might have been behind it.
Right now, you have nothing but a speeding car that lost control in a tunnel.
Before you get to means, motive, and opportunity, you have to establish that an actual crime was committed.
Motive is the easiest. Anyone could want to kill a celebrity, for reasons good, bad, indifferent, or cuckoo.
Means is trickier, without an actual crime in place. You can say "they are rich and powerful and can do anything", but that doesn't really mean anything.
Opportunity, again, relies on the specifics of the crime to determine who could have done what and when.
So first: demonstrate that it was at least plausible to have been a whack, mechanically. What differentiates this accident from any other, in terms of how it happened?
Right now, you have nothing but a speeding car that lost control in a tunnel.
Before you get to means, motive, and opportunity, you have to establish that an actual crime was committed.
Motive is the easiest. Anyone could want to kill a celebrity, for reasons good, bad, indifferent, or cuckoo.
Means is trickier, without an actual crime in place. You can say "they are rich and powerful and can do anything", but that doesn't really mean anything.
Opportunity, again, relies on the specifics of the crime to determine who could have done what and when.
So first: demonstrate that it was at least plausible to have been a whack, mechanically. What differentiates this accident from any other, in terms of how it happened?
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Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
WRT tips, I heard from an Uber driver in the UK about the kind of tips some drivers can earn. When a rich Saudi comes to, say, London, he will buy an expensive car, like a Range Rover, to use while he's there. When he leaves, he gifts the car to his driver. The driver I was talking to had a friend who received such a car. That's tens of thousands of pounds of car, in one go. Add that up over time, and 170,000 pounds is easily reachable.
BartholomewWest
Banned
By the way, the fact that the Queen can halt a trial - that alone is disturbing.
She shouldn't have that power.
And she didn't halt it cause she thought "Poor Paul will get killed in jail in the course of 7 years." It wasn't altruistic.
She just wanted to avoid drama and scandal for herself.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
@BartholomewWest : some quotes from the article you linked to. As zooterkin said, it does not appear that you read it.
So, do you agree or disagree with your own source?
www.theguardian.com
So, do you agree or disagree with your own source?
US bugged Diana's phone on night of death crash
The American secret service was bugging Princess Diana's telephone conversations without the approval of the British security services on the night she died, according to the most comprehensive report on her death, to be published this week.
www.theguardian.com
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
Once again, you demonstrate a serious inability to evaluate information.
By the way, the fact that the Queen can halt a trial - that alone is disturbing.
She shouldn't have that power.
And she didn't halt it cause she thought "Poor Paul will get killed in jail in the course of 7 years." It wasn't altruistic.
She just wanted to avoid drama and scandal for herself.
That valet had a history of false rape allegations. He was also persuaded by the Mail (an appaling rag, not to be trusted at all) to change his story, for money. His story has also been contradicted by other Buckingham Palace staff.
You chose to believe this, at face value, without doing even a basic search for the full picture. Why? Confirmation bias, that's why.
Valet made false rape claims
The former royal valet who says he was raped by a senior member of the palace staff has made false claims of rape previously, Scotland Yard said yesterday, as the furore over Prince Charles's decision not to hold an independent inquiry into the collapse of the Paul Burrell theft trial continued.
www.theguardian.com
Royal valet caught in sting backtracks on his retraction
The tale of George Smith, the former royal valet who claimed to have seen Prince Charles engaged in a sexual act, took a new twist yesterday when a Sunday newspaper induced him to temporarily retract the story. By Stephen Bates.
www.theguardian.com
BartholomewWest
Banned
I maintain that you can't trust the NSA. You just can't.
First they said "We didn't spy on her at all." Then it was "Perhaps we did but it was accidental and not targeted." Then it was 1,000 pages. Then it was 39. Then it was "It was for her own protection, cause of the IRA." Then it was "We have it but we can't give it to you, cause of national security concerns."
That's what they always, always do. They always come up with excuses like that.
First they said "We didn't spy on her at all." Then it was "Perhaps we did but it was accidental and not targeted." Then it was 1,000 pages. Then it was 39. Then it was "It was for her own protection, cause of the IRA." Then it was "We have it but we can't give it to you, cause of national security concerns."
That's what they always, always do. They always come up with excuses like that.
BartholomewWest
Banned
Nonsense. I did research this!
This valet was in debt and needed to pay it off. That's why he considered lying and saying "I lied", which would have been a lie.
Then he retracted the retraction. Translation: I told the truth the first time. Charles is gay and his boyfriend raped me.
Even when they dangled money in front of him, he refused it and told the truth. However tempting that money may have been.
This valet was in debt and needed to pay it off. That's why he considered lying and saying "I lied", which would have been a lie.
Then he retracted the retraction. Translation: I told the truth the first time. Charles is gay and his boyfriend raped me.
Even when they dangled money in front of him, he refused it and told the truth. However tempting that money may have been.
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BartholomewWest
Banned
By the way, I don't hold the Princess of Wales to be some self-less angel in this particular episode.
She visited the rape victim not to comfort him or provide him with medical care or anything like that! She just wanted dirt on her husband. She taped the victim without knowledge or consent. She violated his privacy cause she wanted to blackmail old Charlie with tapes.
However, ignoble as her motives may have been, I am glad she did that. A valet had raped another valet. She got evidence of that. That's a good thing.
Especially since this valet was involved in a different scandal. He was involved in Charles' phony charity or something. They were selling honors for cash to rich Muslims or something.
So he's a pervert and corrupt.
She visited the rape victim not to comfort him or provide him with medical care or anything like that! She just wanted dirt on her husband. She taped the victim without knowledge or consent. She violated his privacy cause she wanted to blackmail old Charlie with tapes.
However, ignoble as her motives may have been, I am glad she did that. A valet had raped another valet. She got evidence of that. That's a good thing.
Especially since this valet was involved in a different scandal. He was involved in Charles' phony charity or something. They were selling honors for cash to rich Muslims or something.
So he's a pervert and corrupt.
BartholomewWest
Banned
Michael Fawcett - Wikipedia
By the way, here's a picture of old Charlie's "friend."
Usually, I wouldn't care if they were making gay love in the palace or not.
But if he raped another man and Charles helped destroy the victim, well, that's a different story....
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arthwollipot
Limerick Purist
This just keeps getting wilder and wilder. Chucky has a gay lover now?
Well, no.
Well, no.
Source: that wikipedia link you just posted.